Text 128, 76 rader
Skriven 2004-12-15 01:38:18 av Steve Asher (3:800/432.0)
    Kommentar till text 113 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
Ärende: Secret of Fatima
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Mulling over LEE LOFASO to STEVE ASHER 11 Dec 2004

Hi Lee...

>LL>According to the Vatican, all three parts of the secret of Fatima
>LL>have been revealed.  But how does one go about interpreting the
>LL>secret, in order to make sense of it all?

SA>To start with, one would need to be very careful about the source
SA>of the visions & secrets of Fatima. (I.e. was it of God, or of
SA>Satan, faking & purporting to use "Mary" in order to deceive?)

 LL> Oh, for sure.  That is why Catholics are under no obligation to
 LL> believe any of the apparitions as being from God.  The Church has,
 LL> on rare occasion, approved some apparitions.  But only in a
 LL> negative sense. Fatima is one of those which has been approved. 
 LL> But no Catholic is obliged to believe those apparitions occurred,
 LL> or are of God. 

Let's say that Fatima has been "approved", & that the "Mary" that
appeared confirms or defends or calls the world to return to or uphold
Catholic dogma, which in turn includes fictions such as the dogma of
the "Assumption of Mary", or of Mary's "Immaculate Conception". It is
one thing for Catholics to believe these "dogmas", "infallible" statements
by a pope ... concerning a matter of faith or morals. It is another thing
for them to insist that all Christians are required to believe these
"infallible" dogmas. 

 LL> Garibandol was not approved. IOW, the Church found fault.
 LL> Medjugorge was also not approved, although the Church did leave it
 LL> up to local bishops to draw their own conclusions.

 LL> Many others were condemned.

These days, people flog them on eBay. :) $30,000 for a mouldy cheese
sanger that looks a bit like "Virgin Mary" is a nice little earner
for someone.

SA>This makes me suspect that, given the widespread belief that the Pope
SA>is the Antichrist (Beast 666), "Mary's" secrets will be used to bolster
SA>this belief, justify the killing of the Pope & dismantling the RC Church
SA>(etc) while the real Antichrist (the "Moshiach" being pushed by Jews
SA>& Noachides) gets ready to do his thing.

 LL> This is the part where a real conspiracy thread can be started.
 LL> According to the RCC, Christ will come again at the end of human
 LL> history.  Tradition has it that a Pope will hand over the keys to
 LL> the kingdom to Christ upon his return.  Now, what would happen if
 LL> the Pope were to ask for Christ's return?  Would Christ then be
 LL> obligated to return, thus becoming The Last Pope?  Suppose the
 LL> Christ that does come is not the right one?

SA>I would proceed on the assumption that the whole Fatima vision (and
SA>Mary apparition phenomenon) is satanic in origin, designed to deceive
SA>people into accepting the false Christ.

 LL> That would be a pre-conceived notion, which may, or may not, be
 LL> true. Satan can take on many forms, including that of an angel of
 LL> light. As such, the premise of Marian apparitions being satanic in
 LL> origin cannot be discounted.  In fact, many such apparitions have
 LL> been condemned by the Church on those grounds.  It is also one of
 LL> the main reasons why Catholics are under no obligation to believe
 LL> any Marian apparition as being of God.

 LL> Interpretation of the secret of Fatima does not have to be along
 LL> religious lines.  It can be read, and interpreted, in a political
 LL> context.  Or some other context.  And still be accurate.

I don't know that it is a secret worth knowing, or interpreting. 
I would simply rank it as one of the numerous "Marian" apparitions 
intended to deceive. 

Cheers, Steve..

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