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Skriven 2005-12-14 03:15:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
Ärende: WWII Immigration Stan
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-=> Quoting Michiel Van Der Vlist to Frank Scheidt <=-

 >> When you refuse to contribute to the common good you *are* a
 >> parasite.  There's no doubt about that.

 MVDV>> There is no common good here. The US is defending its
 MVDV>> continued supply of oil.
 
 > And we make good use of it ...

 MVDV> Blowing CO2 into the air is not good use...

But that's a mere side-product ...

 MVDV>> And I wouldn't be so quick to use the word parasite here. The US is
 MVDV>> consuming 40% of the oil in the world. For 5% of the world's populatin
 MVDV>> that is FAR more than a fair share. Who is the parasite here?
 
 > "Fair share"?  Who decides *that*?

 MVDV> 20 kids at a birthday party. The fat boy thakes hakf the cake, leaving
 MVDV> the other half for the other 19 kids. You need a judge to decide if
 MVDV> that is fair? 

I'd say those 19 kids are rather stupid to put up with that.  I 
know you're not using "fat kid" as an American analogy since 
you'd have used "muscular, brainy kid" ...

 > The US produces more goods with that mere 40% of the oil than
 > any other nation ...

 MVDV> Really? Then where are those goods? It has been quit a while since I
 MVDV> last saw something with "made in USA" on it.
 
We've gotten into the habit of marking "made in China" on our 
manufactured good to please the Asiatics ... check things out ... 
*see* if you don't have a lot of goods with that "made in China" 
label!

 > others, especially China, are catching up of course.  Hence we
 > are *producers* not parasites.

 MVDV> The one does not exclude the other. Even parasites produce.. waste.

No need to apologize ... really!

 MVDV>> Neither does yours. Fact is that the world is NOT a safer
 MVDV>> place then it was before this mad adventure in Iraq started.
 
 > Yes it is!  The world is no-longer threatened with Saddam's
 > reputed WMDs.

 MVDV> They only existed in the imagination of GWB and his followers. The
 MVDV> threat of WMD's was a fabrication.

*Now* you know what GWB *imagines*???  Wow!!
 
 > They have been moved.

 MVDV> *If* they have been moved the threat is still there. Whoever has them
 MVDV> must be a friend of Saddam and can still use them.

So?

 MVDV>> How about *your* fair share of contributing to a better
 MVDV>> environment? You not only consume 40% of the world'soil,
 MVDV>> you also contribute to the CO2 load by burning it.
 
 > As the saying goes, "you can't have an omelette without breaking eggs"

 MVDV> One can refrain from making ommelets.

True ... so?
 
 > ... the overall effect of our oil-usage benefits the world.

 MVDV> No, it benefits you.

We are part of the world, aren't we?

 MVDV>> I say *you* are the parasite.
 
 > I'll simply ignore the unwarranted insult and assume that's
 > your way of covering up ... [sigh] ...

 MVDV> So it is all right for you to call me a parasite, but that is a one
 MVDV> way street? 

I'm not calling you, personally, a parasite since I presume 
you're justifying your life ... it's Europeans in general who 
tend to be parasites, WRT their expectations of protection by the 
U.S.

 >> Have it your way.  I hope you can live with that burden.
 
 > What burden?

The unfair burden of being a European ... one who hasn't yet 
escaped to America ...

 MVDV> The burden of having to live with the knowledge that you are an
 MVDV> accomplish in ruining this planet.

Fortunately the U.S. is *helping* this planet ...

 MVDV>> I can. Can you live with the idea that your grandchildren will inherit
 MVDV>> a planet that has its natural resources exhausted and its ecology
 MVDV>> ruined because of *your* parasitic behaviour?
 
 > Each generation has handed to it from the preceding generation
 > both gifts and debts.  My generation, for example received the
 > Great Depression and WWII as debts.  As gifts we received a
 > number of then modern inventions:  radio, electric
 > refrigerators, etc.  We took the gifts gratefully and didn't whine
 > about the debt.

 MVDV> Apres nous le deluge...  I see. :-(

Nah!  Nothing like that.  All I'm saying is that each generation 
should accept the problems it faces and work to *solve* them 
rather than to merely sit and blame them on others.
 
 > Your generation, OTOH, has largely benefitted from our many gifts.

 MVDV> *your* gifts?

 MVDV> Since when were radio and electric refrigeratiors *your* gifts?

Huh?  I had presumed you have moved *beyond* that ...

... "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." ÄÄ Shakespeare

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