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Skriven 2005-12-14 18:41:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 18647 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
Ärende: WWII Immigration Stan
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 MVDV>>> And I wouldn't be so quick to use the word parasite here. The US is
 MVDV>>> consuming 40% of the oil in the world. For 5% of the world's populatin
 MVDV>>> that is FAR more than a fair share. Who is the parasite here?
 >
 >> "Fair share"?  Who decides *that*?

 MVDV>> 20 kids at a birthday party. The fat boy takes half the cake,
 MVDV>> leaving the other half for the other 19 kids. You need a
 MVDV>> judge to decide if that is fair?

 > I'd say those 19 kids are rather stupid to put up with that.

Well, the fat boy has a gun.

You are evading the question: do you need a judge to decide if that is fair?

 > I know you're not using "fat kid" as an American analogy since
 > you'd have used "muscular, brainy kid" ...

Oh, but I *did* mean the it. Obesity is a serious problem in the USA. "Brainy"?
Sorry, the average American does not appear to be very bright.

 >> The US produces more goods with that mere 40% of the oil than
 >> any other nation ...

 MVDV>> Really? Then where are those goods? It has been quit a while since I
 MVDV>> last saw something with "made in USA" on it.

 > We've gotten into the habit of marking "made in China" on our

Ha, good joke!

 > manufactured good to please the Asiatics ... check things out
 > ... *see* if you don't have a lot of goods with that "made in
 > China" label!

O, I do. But the manuals are a dead giveaway. Certainly not written by a native
(American) English speaker. ;-)

 MVDV>>> Neither does yours. Fact is that the world is NOT a safer
 MVDV>>> place then it was before this mad adventure in Iraq started.

 >> Yes it is!  The world is no-longer threatened with Saddam's
 >> reputed WMDs.

 MVDV>> They only existed in the imagination of GWB and his followers.
 MVDV>> The threat of WMD's was a fabrication.

 > *Now* you know what GWB *imagines*???  Wow!!

Elementary my dear Watson. There are no WMD's in Iraq. yet GWB said they were
there. So it must have been his imagination.

 >> They have been moved.

 MVDV>> *If* they have been moved the threat is still there. Whoever has them
 MVDV>> must be a friend of Saddam and can still use them.

 > So?

You are contradicting yourself. First you said:

 >> The world is no-longer threatened with Saddam's reputed WMDs.

Now you say they have been moved. But ig they are only moved, the threat they
pose still exists.

 MVDV>>> How about *your* fair share of contributing to a better
 MVDV>>> environment? You not only consume 40% of the world'soil,
 MVDV>>> you also contribute to the CO2 load by burning it.
 >
 >> As the saying goes, "you can't have an omelette without breaking eggs"

 MVDV>> One can refrain from making ommelets.

 > True ... so?

So stop making omelets.

 >> ... the overall effect of our oil-usage benefits the world.

 MVDV>> No, it benefits you.

 > We are part of the world, aren't we?

Yes but you are the only ones in the world that it benefits.

 MVDV>>> I say *you* are the parasite.
 >
 >> I'll simply ignore the unwarranted insult and assume that's
 >> your way of covering up ... [sigh] ...

 MVDV>> So it is all right for you to call me a parasite, but that is a one
 MVDV>> way street?

 > I'm not calling you, personally, a parasite since I presume
 > you're justifying your life ... it's Europeans in general who
 > tend to be parasites, WRT their expectations of protection by
 > the U.S.

Then I say it is the Americans that are the parasite WRT the world's resources.

 >>> Have it your way.  I hope you can live with that burden.
 >
 >> What burden?

 > The unfair burden of being a European ... one who hasn't yet
 > escaped to America ...

I do not perceive that as a burden. So I have no problem living with it.

 MVDV>> The burden of having to live with the knowledge that you
 MVDV>> are an accomplish in ruining this planet.

 > Fortunately the U.S. is *helping* this planet ...

They are helping themselves...

 >> Your generation, OTOH, has largely benefitted from our many gifts.

 MVDV>> *your* gifts?

 MVDV>> Since when were radio and electric refrigeratiors *your* gifts?

 > Huh?  I had presumed you have moved *beyond* that ...

You should not presume so much.

Cheers, Michiel

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