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Skriven 2005-12-30 09:12:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av PETER KNAPPER
Ärende: Lack of Gratitude
=========================
-=> Quoting Peter Knapper to Frank Scheidt <=-

 FS> It was the attack on the 
 FS> twin towers by those "fanatics" which eventually *resulted* in 
 FS> our liberation of Iraq.

 PK> Careful, you are now suggestng that the USA deliberately chose to
 PK> liberate Muslim "fanatics"...

I make no such suggestion.  You read concepts into my statements 
which are not there ... 
 
 PK> Just look at all the suicide bombers around
 PK> these days, they are not all insane, but just very 
 PK> strong "fanatics". 
 
 FS> There's no doubt whatsoever that their thinking is not logical by 
 FS> any means ...

 PK> I disagree, a fanatic can usually be described as someone who follows
 PK> a strong belief, and that MUST be a logical thought. 

"Logical"?  It's "logical" to murder 3,000 innocent people -- 
people who've done *nothing* to you?!?!?

 PK> That thought can
 PK> be self made, or it can be implanted by "brain washing", but there is
 PK> no doubt the "fanatic" holds that belief. 

Merely holding a belief doesn't make it *logical*.

 PK> Remember these are all
 PK> rational people that have a belief that is just different to yours.
 
"Rational"??   What's your definition of that word?  *I* use the 
dictionary definition.
 
 FS> I agree "fanatics" is a better term.  However they have been 
 FS> brain-washed by someone to get them to do such a *fanatical*, 
 FS> totally unwarranted action.

 PK> Ok, so a fanatic is not necessarily insane...
 
And an insane person is not necessarily a fanatic ... so?
 
 FS> The only reason I've ever seen as to why they did that was 
 FS> because the U.S. supports Israel.

 PK> I think the reasons probably have some relationship to Israel, but
 PK> nowhere near as much as you are suggesting. They probably stretch more
 PK> towards the other middle east nations that the USA has suggested are
 PK> leaders in terrorism... 
 
 FS> ... So you're saying the bombers were insane.  OK, that's reasonable.
 
 PK> Nope, I am definately not saying that. They were lucid, intelligent
 PK> people that viewed their lives in a different way to you and I.
 
I *guess* ... [sigh] ...

 FS> "Intelligent"???  No way!  No one who does something so 
 FS> *obviously* cruel and stupid could be termed "intelligent"

 PK> You need to be able to accept that some people really do think
 PK> different to you and I, to be able to accept that they had
 PK> intelligence. They certainly needed some sort of intelligence to be
 PK> able to have the plan work as well as it did, just look where the
 PK> planes hit, at the precise location of the weakest point in the
 PK> structure and at an angle designed to do the most damage. That simply
 PK> HAD to conceived and executed by intellgent thinkers...

*Insane* thinkers ...
 
 PK> So if there was no "tat", then what triggered the event?
 
 FS> "Fanaticism" as you put it.  Arabic kids go to schools in which 
 FS> the students are taught that all non-Muslims are to be killed.  

 PK> Careful with statements like that, there must be many Muslim kids
 PK> going to American schools...

I think you know what was meant there ... [sigh] ...
 
 FS> That's *beyond* typical "fanaticism" ...

 PK> Not beyond typical fanaticism, but perhaps a form of it that is alien
 PK> to your concepts.

Possibly since I tend to think objectively and rationally ...

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