Text 46246, 80 rader
Skriven 2006-12-31 12:48:14 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 46206 av Stewart Arnett (3:772/100)
Ärende: Generic Christianity
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01 Jan 07 01:57, Stewart Arnett wrote to bob klahn:

 SA> ... bit cut ... (but you know what you have written) ...
 RC>>>>>>> If in Salt Lake City Utah, would the view of the tabernacle
 RC>>>>>>> complex compel you to become a Mormon?
 bk>>  Tithing to support religion is a violation of the constitution.
 bk>>  If the church buildings are on public land and paid for by
 bk>>  public taxation then they are public property and should be
 bk>>  treated as such. Anything less is "law respecting an
 bk>>  establishment of religion". Which is verboten.

 SA> Bob,  bugger the constitution, you are talking about God here (bugger
 SA> the Mormans also).

Some lesser liberal Americans want to rid the country of anything that
pertains to christianity in it's governmemt. i.e. The removal of a stone
sculpture of the Ten Commandments was recently removed from the lobby of a
Southern state's hall of justice (court house). That's why they hide
behind the Constitution. Even though it was written under influence of
christianity by the founders of this country, which was established by
christians, not athiests, jews or muslims.

 SA> Tithing to support Religion, are you talking about "Religiously
 SA> following an ideal" (ie 12 hail Mary's or following a
 SA> book of Common prayer) or Christianity? (which is not a matter of
 SA> religion). If Christianity then tithing is something to do with ones
 SA> ideals and desires for the support of the work of spreading the
 SA> Gospel truth, this has nothing to do with government of the people.

But they fervantly believe that the 1st Amendment to that Constituion
means that the government shall not be allowed to have religious articles
on public owned property. When all it really means is that the government
body will not pass any laws that will partner the government with them.

Allowing such things as the Nativity scene at Christmas time to be
displayed is is one of them.

 SA> Read the epistles and the word of Jesus in the Gospels regarding the
 SA> area governed by God and those by "lawmakers". Voluntary tithing, or
 SA> giving from your income to the "church" that you belong to has
 SA> nothing to do with government, who is the higher authority, GWB or
 SA> God, or in my case Helen Clarke or God ?

It also says something about giving to Ceasar, that which is Ceasar's,
etc...has to do with taxes vs tithing.

 SA> I am not an "U.S.A -ian" (not intended as an insult) so the
 SA> Constitution does not matter here, but even so the "law of the land"
 SA> or our (your) ideals of the worlds laws do not nescessarily exceed
 SA> God's word. You must conceed that if the church buildings are the
 SA> place of worship of your "brothers in Christ" then you have no
 SA> position to be in contempt of any way in which your "brothers in
 SA> Christ" care to support them. In the case of Christian argument you
 SA> (we) must allways consider the word of God to be paramount, if you
 SA> believe it conflicts with the "Constitution of the U.S.A" then you
 SA> need to look more closely at why it should conflict with such an
 SA> ideal and then consider the worth of the ideal it conflicts with.
 SA> Quite possibly after such close consideration it infact will be found
 SA> not to conflict with such ideals, also, if the purpose of your
 SA> Christian brothers still agrees with the word of God and conflicts
 SA> with the "Constitution" then perhaps the "constitution" needs to be
 SA> re-assesed in it's worth. If your first consideration is the law as
 SA> stated in the law book and/or that of the "Constitution" then, where
 SA> do you stand Biblically?

 SA> Food for thought, don't argue from a worldly perspective ;-)

 SA> (Sorry Roy to butt in it was  your argument, now you can have a go at
 SA> me as well)

Have at it...maybe from a christian point of view, his liberal
politics/religious outlook might be changed.

               R\%/itt




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