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24 May 08 23:34, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Joe Schweier:

 MvdV>>> So you can choose to visit Mars?

 JS>> Yes U can... Here in the US anyway... That's my poit. People here
 JS>> have the choice to deam and excell...

 MvdV> Everyone has the choice to dream. But dreaming does not get you on
 MvdV> Mars.

Yes it does. Someone had to dream about how to get there and we've seen
success in getting to Mars.

 JS>> if there's a way to get their there will be people waiting in line
 JS>> to get there.  And the beauty of it all... it'll be that dreamer who
 JS>> will find a way to get their... More than likely an american.

 MvdV> More likely a Chinese.

Perhaps a Chinaman will get there, but the likelihood of Americans getting
there first outweigh the possibilities that a Chinaman will be first.

 MvdV> You can dream, everyone has that right. But the reality is that
 MvdV> neither you nor I can expect to ever go to Mars. It is not a choice
 MvdV> that is available to us.

Today it's possible to choose to be creamated in the Sun after death.
Tomorrow it will also be possible to visit Mars and perhaps be buried in
the polar icecap. Better yet, perhaps in the future, there will be
earth-people living on Mars.

 JS>>>> This is what I love about the US... "ALL" the people that come
 JS>>>> have the freedom of being wealthy or not... your choice.

 MvdV>>> So why is not everyone wealthy then?

 JS>> Some people chose not to... simple enough isn't it.

 MvdV> Simple but not credible.

Very simple. Some choose not to educate themselves and become dependant
upon the state to support them with hand outs. They'll live in poverty
their entire lives. Some continue beyond their High School education and
they'll live life as low level middle class citizens (aka: blue collar
workers). Others choose to further their education to a 2yr college degree
or a 4yr college degree. They'll have a wonderful upper middle class life.
Some will even make it to the elite with a very good living in the upper
middle class.

Meanwhile, some even more venturous get more education, become very good
professionals in their line of work and become influential and rich.
They're considered to be the upper class citizens.

The key to success in America is "Education". Anyone in America can become
whatever they dream to be or not to be. Not that I think highly of him,
but President Jimmy Carter was the son of a poor dirt farmer and
education gave him enough stature in life to become a President. With a
few exceptions, most of the POTUS started out poor. Education got them
where and what they wanted to be.

 JS>>>> There are millions of ethnic people there that are wealthy
 JS>>>> millions that are not... millions of whites who have money and
 JS>>>> millions that don't.

 MvdV>>> Do people *choose* to be poor in your country?

 JS>> Sometimes I think so...

 MvdV> I don't believe it.

See above.

 JS>>>> Ask Opra.

 MvdV>>> Who's Opra?

 JS>> A famus black woman in the US... makes Billions... is black and a
 JS>> woman.

 MvdV> Oh, you mean Oprah.

As in Harpo.

 JS>>   Looked past here challanges and when for gold. She started
 JS>> with nothing and has everything she could ever want.

 JS>> She shose to do it... her actions were consistant with her desire...
 JS>> and she repeated that process until she was got her desired result.

 MvdV> So how come you are not as rich and famous as Oprah?

 MvdV> Sorry Joe, I don't buy that propaganda. There is only so much room
 MvdV> at the top. Only so many seats in the room of the rich and famous.
 MvdV> No matter what system, not everyone can be rich and famous. I do
 MvdV> not buy this "success is a choice mantra".

That's why you remain in Holland, where they give lower class people
without educations, entitlements such as: lifetime, although less than
ideal, medical care.

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