Text 913, 180 rader
Skriven 2007-05-04 15:56:52 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
    Kommentar till text 907 av Herman Neut (2:280/1141)
Ärende: Shootings
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Hello Herman!

04 May 07 19:17, you wrote to me:

 HN>>> @MSGID: 2:280/1141 05c6742c
 HN>>> @REPLY: 63295.fidonews@1:249/303 0aa0c90d
 HN>>> @PID: TerMail 5/Pro ffdca2c37b
 HN>>> @CHRS: IBMPC 2
 HN>>> @TZUTC: 0200

 RC>> These are your header control info for this very message I am
 RC>> replying to..

 HN> Yep. And what?
 HN> What should exact be in the header kludges according the FP?


Similiar to what your messages "normally" contain, as already shown to you
above.

 HN> What and how should exactly be configured in the MSGID kludge??
 HN> Is a MSGID kludge compulsory??

Your question makes no sense, except for the forged message in FN_SYSOP, you
already present proper kludges.

 JD>>>> Seems to me I saw his own Zone 2 node number in it, like you
 JD>>>> always, or mostly, do.

 HN>>> ====QUOTE====

 HN>>> -!- Twit(t) Filter v2.1 (C) 2000
 HN>>>  @ Origin: Hacienda de Rio de Guadalupe * South Texas * USA
 HN>>> (2:280/1141)

 HN>>> ====unquote=====

 HN>>> What's in an Origin line? What are the requirements?

 RC>> At bare minimum just the node number, on this point your message
 RC>> isnt a real  forgery, just a lame attempt to look like one

 HN> Whahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! :-)))))))))))))))))))).
 HN> It is ONLY _my_ nodenumber that counts, dear Ross

Not when you showed someone elses node number in the kludges.

The reader I use was originally coded by Odinn Sorenson, when I went to your
forged message in FN_SYSOP, and went through the motions to reply to it via
netmail, I pressed the N key (Quote Reply elsewhere) it addressed the message
using Roys address, not yours.

Are you saying you know better than one of Fidonets past but most notable
software authors, ie Odinn Sorenson?????

The kludges have other uses, and arent useless simply because your software
might be too brain dead to use them.

In the visible headers alone:

=== Cut ===
= FN_SYSOP (1:123/456) ========================================================
 Msg  : 973 of 976
 From : NimrOdh Shinar                      1:397/22        03 May 07  08:41:56
 To   : Bermah Shaeve
 Subj : FYI, There Is A Moderator!!
===============================================================================
=== Cut ===

Thats friggin bad enough Herman and you know it.

 RC>> *@MSGID: 1:397/22 46390ced
 RC>> *@PID: GED+W32 snapshot-2002.9.29
 RC>> *@CHRS: CP437 2
 RC>> *@REPLY: 1:397/22@FidoNet 7c74c579
 RC>> *@TID: FastEcho 1.46.1 8614

 HN> And so what?

Its wrong Herman, far more people use software that does utilize the kludges
for dupe detection, addressing of replies etc etc..

Dont imprint onto everyone else the limitations of your software simply because
of the fact that it may not use the kludges or worse, dont imprint upon us all
simply because your understanding of the kludge lines is lacking.

 HN> I just was showing RW his daily behaviour in Fidonet.
 HN> All his BS should be responded by crash netmail to his TwitFilter

If you can see Roys daily behavior, why are you so fucking arrogant to think
others cant see it either, so why must you resort to doing that which you find
detestable?

Old Saying from the Netherlands:

"Two wrongs dont make a right"

Worse yet, you take it one step further and forge a message to make it look
like it was from Roy.

 HN> And:
 HN> Want to see how many MSGs have a MSGID kludge?
 HN> Want to see how many different formats in the MSGID kludges are used?

 HN> There seems to be _no_ standard

That does not make it ok for you to make them look like they come from a system
which did not originate it.

You dont know enough about the kludge line to speak authoritively of them, nor
does your limited understanding of them negate the uses others have for them.

Why dont you consult Michiel Van Der Vlist or Michiel Broeck about them, I
imagine Felten would venture to educate you?

In the end, I dont think you are advocating people fly differing node numbers
in the header versus the origin lines, are you Herman?


 HN> AND:

 HN> What ROY can do, can I do too!!!!

All of the messages Roy has posted which has you trying to mimic him, have come
with no alterations of address info in any field, otherwards everything points
to his node number.

Of course you still havent figured out that he has long been trying to get a
rise out of you, thing is, unlike you, he has not had to resort to forging
kludge lines to do it.

Bjorn Forsstrom is trying to get me to ignore the stuff you all say, why arent
you ignoring Roy, why are you resorting to forgin kludge lines? The real
question is also why isn't Forsstrom trying to get you to ignore Roy?

 HN> Very clever of you, Rossi, to found out I have copied and pasted RW
 HN> his header kludges. His tearline and the text in his origin too. I
 HN> _could_ even have copied his nodenumber into the origin line, but I
 HN> did NOT

What you did copy in, translated into real info.

 HN> And what I did,  could be moticed by every fido user.

any Fido system that imports control lines into the message base, yes sir.

 HN> What is your BIG point???

I already pointed that out.

The second point would obviously be that if Roy had done this with your info,
you would be wanting his head.

 RC>> Most readers will use the control info to ascertain the reply
 RC>> address, in this case someone wanting to send a netmail response
 RC>> to that message would be sending said response to Roy, even tho
 RC>> you are the true author and origination of the message

 HN> And that is wrong!

 HN> The adress in the origin line counts and should be used.

Thats your opinion which you cannot imprint onto how the software of others
should operate, I doubt you should be holding both your opinion or termail as
the penultimate measuring stick.

 HN> Speaking about "childish play", you and your buddy are playing every
 HN> day little boy games.

What games am I playing, I aint forging messages.

==
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