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Skriven 2012-05-21 06:09:27 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 28801 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Janis defintions...
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21 May 12 10:41, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> Sorry, the hard coded link between Fidonews and 1:1/1 has been
 MvdV>>> set aside looong ago by the precedent set by TJ himself when he
 MvdV>>> changed the editor's node number to 1:1/23.

 RW>> Sorry, but due to the many loud whines he made in that regard, he
 RW>> was coddled as editor so that he'd continue in the job capacity
 RW>> until such time as he could be replaced or left Fidonet, whichever
 RW>> came first. He already  had one foot out the door when policy 4.07
 RW>> came along and he also bitched about that as well.

 MvdV> Irrelevant.

Not at all. You introduced TJ's opinion into the arguement. That makes the
subject relevant.

 MvdV> We all know TJ's "P4 is a smelly crock of shit". We also know he
 MvdV> left Fidonet.

This is the part that is irrelevant.

 RW>>  He was basically ignored in regards to everything he bitched about.

 MvdV> That does not nullify the precedent that the FidoNews Editor is not
 MvdV> nesecarely listed as 1:1/1.

 "1.3.1  FidoNews"

 "Accordingly, sysops and users are encouraged to contribute to FidoNews.

 Contributions are submitted to node 1:1/1; a file describing the format
 to be used is available from 1:1/1 and many other systems."

 MvdV> Also, 1:1/1 was not uniquely reserved for the Fidonews editor.
 MvdV> Others have carried that AKA as well:

See above.


 MvdV> Nodelist 337 of 1993:

 MvdV> Zone,1,North_America,Surrey_BC,Bob_Satti,1-604-589-8562,9600,CM,XA,
 MvdV> H14,V42b
 MvdV> ,1,Dead_Mail_&_FNews_Relay,

Note------------------^^^^^^^^^^^---for those brain dead enough not to
notice that there was an alternative Fidonews listing.

 MvdV> ,23,FidoNews,FidoNews_Editor,Editor,1-519-570-4176,9600,CM,XX,HST,V
 MvdV> 3 2,V42b

Alternative listing.

 MvdV>>> Since then the precedent had been confirmed by many successors
 MvdV>>> using 1:1/23 or numbers in other zones.

 RW>> But of course, not per policy,

 MvdV> P4 was written by Americans for Americans and can therefore be
 MvdV> ignored by non Americans.

Not if you want to adhere to the policy that you so frequently want
everyone else to follow. In fact, you filed a Policy Complaint, supporting
your strict 'adherance' to that policy. Precedent noted.

 RW>>  therefore it can be ignored by any subsequent *C.

 MvdV> Who in turn can themselves be ignored.

Or fired...

 MvdV>>> If you figured 2:2/2 can not be the editor's node number, you
 MvdV>>> should have spoken up ten years ago when Frank Vest appointed
 MvdV>>> Björn Felten as his successor and he got 2:2/2.

 RW>> I did! But I was merely one voice among many who were all for
 RW>> violating policy.

 MvdV> So you were outvoted and ignored. Just as I will do now.

Not a problem. Doing so will give you an easy out and I'll claim the upper
hand in this discussion.

 MvdV>>> She has an obligation to make Fdonews available. As have the
 MvdV>>> RCs.

 RW>> You can get a copy from her BBS. Its also available on her website.

 MvdV> Only her own hijacked version. Not the official version as issued
 MvdV> by the editor appointed by his predecssor.

Is he listed as 1:1/1?  If not, he is not the Fidonews Editor.

 RW>> Dunno about the other two, but I would imagine that they also carry
 RW>> it for their own downlinks. Now you'll bitch because the copies
 RW>> available have content,

 MvdV> Irrelevant, it is still a pirated version.

If it is posted and distributed using the nodelisting of 1:1/1, it is the
official Fidonet version.

 RW>> ... besides, IMNSHO, Ward Dossche should resign as ZC2

 MvdV> Since it is none of your business, your NSHO is ignored.

Since I choose to make it my business, I'll continue with imploring Z2
sysops to ask for his resignation. One nodelisted sysop ignoring that
can be ignored, since it won't make much difference to a majority.

Especially if they happen to be Russkies who've noticed that they're the
majority and should be leading Z2, not the minority of two or three.



                R\%/itt



... besides, IMNSHO, Ward Dossche should resign as ZC2 and surrender his
... net node-number to the ZCC !            - Cato the Elder -


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