Text 4498, 102 rader
Skriven 2005-11-10 23:57:14 av Maurice Kinal (1:261/38.9)
   Kommentar till text 4496 av CHARLES ANGELICH (1:123/140)
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Hey CHARLES!

Nov 10 00:33 05, CHARLES ANGELICH wrote to MAURICE KINAL:

 CA> I used automated FTP scripts when using DOS but haven't
 CA> bothered to look into it for Windows FTP. I probably should
 CA> check on that. :-) 

No need to if an httpd is used on the server end since IE can then be used to
get the outbound from the Windows box.  Windows native programs like telnet and
ftp really suck BIG time.  A properly configured httpd will take care of
Windows users nicely.  Why would they want the good stuff if they can't handle
it?

 CA> I was on the internet long before the dialups began shutting
 CA> down. 

So was I except not directly to my home PC, which came later but before
commercial access.  When I did get a PC I then had indirect access through
telneting to the server over a 2400 baud modem.  I also started using local
BBS's shortly after that.  I also set up a BBS except kept it private as there
were already too many Fido based BBS's around that time.

 MK>> thanks to someone who understood the problems and took care
 MK>> of the political bullshit. 

 CA> The politics I observed were ugly. Uglier than any I had
 CA> experienced in the real world. 

You must have led a very sheltered life.

 CA> Well more than _some_ Windows persons, yes. Those who only came
 CA> online via a Windows OS would be lost trying to setup PPP on
 CA> any OS. 

Which is just about everyone from a home based PC.  As far as I knew I was the
only one around these parts using Linux as a user based internettable system on
a regular dialup.  It worked excellent.  I wrote my own ppp login to the ISP. 
That is history now.

 CA> I get the impression there were more people online than I had
 CA> originally thought there were. Trumpet, the company, worked
 CA> with a comittee that included Microsoft to produce Trumpet
 CA> Winsock for Windows v3.x that was the defacto standard until
 CA> Microsoft produced their own for W31. I used the Trumpet
 CA> Winsock for several years and it worked well for me at the time. 

I feel your pain.

 CA> Probably so. W95 was much more user friendly than W31 had been.
 CA> I never used W95 or WinME myself. I just stayed with what I had
 CA> working (W31) until W2K came along. 

See above.

 CA> I'm not so sure if you compare within those time frames. Mosaic
 CA> was really slow - I tried it just for the heck of it. I don't
 CA> really remember where Netscape came into the picture but I seem
 CA> to recall using it with W3.x many years ago? 

I first saw Netscape on Solaris and then later on a friend's Win95 box.  I
never saw it on Win3.1 but then again few people I knew who actually used
Win3.1 had access to the internet let alone the www.

 CA> I never tried to setup a server on the internet but I do have
 CA> links to a group of guys who have an 8088 machine online as a
 CA> web server using existing DOS applications they cobbled
 CA> together. :-) MSkermit has Wermit-Server built into it but
 CA> again, I never tried to use it on the internet. An ISP named
 CA> Demon.uk had some software that I think was being used for
 CA> setting up DOS servers? 

I really see no point to it when much more capable software is available,
unless you like running or using crippled hardware, and then DOS is perfect
since it is so crippled to start with.

 CA> Even in my day people wanted color and graphics (ANSI graphics
 CA> of the type Doc's Place displays). RIP graphics were also being
 CA> used by some. I think the graphics of the internet had a strong
 CA> pull. 

I think it had more to do with Windows and it being so crippled as to terminal
apps.

 CA> Latex comes to mind having been mentioned by several authors of
 CA> terminal software. 

I suppose.  Straight ascii works good enough for a BBS.  Let the user app worry
about fonts, colours, etc.

 CA> A BBS exists to service users. Run off the users and what you
 CA> have is a complex paper weight. :-) 

Yes but if nobody can use the service in the first place it doesn't matter how
the sysop treats them since there will never be any users to look down their
nose at.

Life is good,
Maurice

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