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Text 521, 88 rader
Skriven 2004-08-31 13:24:04 av mark lewis (1:3634/12)
    Kommentar till text 498 av Andy Alt (1:14/250)
Ärende: fidonet <-> nntp
========================
 ML>> as an example, i gate fido to and from mailing lists... one echo per
 ML>> list... no usenet involved at all... others gate fido to and from
 ML>> newsgroups... not usenet... usenet uses newsgroups but not all
 ML>> newsgroups are (part of) usenet... i also have seen work on gating fido
 ML>> stuff to sql databases to be accessed by php code frontends like
 ML>> phpBB...

 AA> And depending on how much spam can be filtered out, sounds

from what i see, there's not any on properly run systems... i have spam trying
to get in here but its trying to relay or to get gated to netmail... in
otherwords, all the spam i see is from the internet trying to go elsewhere...

 AA> like not just a good thing, but just the next *natural*
 AA> evolutionary process of Fidonet, the Internet, and technology.
 AA> And if it turns out to be a *bad* thing then I suppose that
 AA> happens too when things evolve.

well, one thing is that many sites allow guest/unregistered users to post...
that eliminates one major aspect of accountability... if no one is held
accountable for their postings, then garbage will get posted... that's
guaranteed and the proof is all over the place out there...

 AA> But then my question would be: if it's being gated back and
 AA> forth why log into a BBS to read and reply to messages on
 AA> Fidonet?

FWIW: i haven't logged into a bbs in years... i only log into mine once in a
while and that's to check on the screens and the flow of things... other than
that, i access all my files and messages from outside the bbs using sysop
tools... can't do that with a lot of bbs software, though... wildcat being one
such with its proprietary message base format...

 AA> More people have access to the internet and newsgroups, do
 AA> they not?

yes and no... most folk don't know a thing about newsgroups... if they do,
they've heard the horror stories and just don't seek them out... most folk
don't even have a clue what a newsreader is and even fewer even know what they
are called newsgroups and don't have a TO: field in them... seems they can't
fathom an electronic newspaper where everyone writes letters to the editors and
everyone is the editor ;)

 AA> More activity would be going thru Fidonet, but wouldn't that
 AA> essentially mean that down the road, more of it would be
 AA> coming from usenet from nntp servers rather than the
 AA> fidonet that we think of and has been around for a decade+.

no, not really... remember, usenet is one small island on the ocean of the
internet... not all newsservers are usenet... microsoft's surely aren't...
neither are borland's... i know that spamcop's aren't along with barktopus'...
those are only a few that i visit...

[trim]

 AA> I've used newsgroups frequently in the past, and I see so
 AA> much petty bickering, pointless arguing, insults, etc.
 AA> And *that* was in the alt.pacifist.4.life group! :) j/k

right... the alt.* groups are hideously wild and uncontrolled... they have no
moderators... that's why they are ALTernative groups... the other top level
groups are much better behaved and have true moderators... and that's another
thing to note, too... fidonet moderators are REactive... traditional usenet
moderators are PROactive...

 AA> And when I say public accessible, I mean along the lines
 AA> of... when someone signs up for an ISP, most ISP's give
 AA> free use of the nntp server,

/if/ they offer a news server or access to a newsserver like supernews which
they pay a fee for x number of concurrent users...

 AA> along with free tech support on how to set it up in their
 AA> usually pre-installed mail-client. I don't know many ISP's
 AA> that will explain Fidonet, telnet, the difference between
 AA> port 23 and port 80, or go into how people shared files,
 AA> messages, or did "network-gaming" before the Internet. :)

in this day in time, very few... its still up to one to learn on their own or
to go take some classes...

 AA> I won't go as far back as Arpa-Net here. :)

me either ;)

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