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You're just as guilty.=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net...
You should expect to be able to defend whatever nonsense you post. =
If you post nonsense should you not expect to be called on it? Should = you
not expect to defend it if questioned? Maybe you and mike miller = believe
that you are above being challenged. mike miller we all know = has an agenda.
Look at just this thread to see how when questioned he = either changes the
topic or declares that he has nothing more to say = never actually defending
any of his claims.
Rich
"Randy" <@> wrote in message news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net...
In our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a new =
chain=20
saw: everything is game for cutting down.
As for his behavior here, here's a thought: I don't belive that MSFT =
offers=20
training on being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely seek =
it out=20
and reward it.
Have a look at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/ and do =
a=20
search for where the word "honest" appears.
Then I saw this:
"You may also call the Business Conduct Line at 1-877-320-MSFT =
(6738). If=20
you are calling from outside the United States, you may make a =
collect call=20
to the Business Conduct Line by accessing an international operator =
and=20
asking to place a collect call to 1-704-540-0139. The Business =
Conduct Line=20
is a dedicated, toll-free phone line that is available to you 24 =
hours a=20
day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is operated by an external=20
third-party vendor that has trained professionals to take your =
calls, in=20
confidence, and report your concerns to the Microsoft Director of =
Compliance=20
for appropriate action. Your phone calls to the Business Conduct =
Line may be=20
made anonymously. "
'nuff said?
"Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...
>
> I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich Shupak's
> diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions.
>
> What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some =
manner of
> training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics over =
and
> over.
>
> /m<shrug>
>
>
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:
>
>>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right.
>> "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
>> I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not =
know it.=20
>> Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
>> everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more =
than=20
>> the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a =
bet. I=20
>> can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that =
you are=20
>> voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and =
before=20
>> doing so again. You are spinning so fast you can't see.
>>
>> As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was.=20
>> Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your =
>> dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how =
you=20
>> have no choice everytime you mention your use any of the very =
large set=20
>> of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft =
enables for=20
>> Windows.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
>> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
>>
>> I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let =
computers
>> affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
>> projecting?
>>
>>
>> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple=20
>> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they =
can use?
>>
>> I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that =
Apple's=20
>> focus
>> is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, =
iTunes is
>> the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even =
that.
>> Probably more of "too late to the party".
>>
>> Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound=20
>> upon
>> some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind
>> the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need =
to try to
>> catch up.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
>>
>> Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment.
>>
>> I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
>> chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' =
emails=20
>> entered
>> as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that =
Microsoft needed
>> to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the =
defacto=20
>> browser
>> "of choice".
>>
>> If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows =
Media in=20
>> the
>> percentages that they currently do?
>>
>> /m<probably not...>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
>>
>> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
>> >
>> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple=20
>> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they =
can use?
>> >
>> > If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
>> >
>> >Rich
>> >
>> > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in =
the online
>> > music race, eh Rich?
>> >
>> > Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually=20
>> saying
>> > that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not=20
>> iPod.
>> > I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
>> >
>> > Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
>> >
>> > /m
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
>> >
>> > > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could =
see the=20
>> obvious and how silly you sound.
>> > >
>> > > Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are =
winning=20
>> over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can carry =
one?
>> > >
>> > > Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their=20
>> software onto phones. There is a difference from the ipod. =
Unless apple=20
>> restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users multiple =
choices,=20
>> the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in =
their=20
>> customers to the itunes store like apple does.
>> > >
>> > >Rich
>> > >
>> > > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
>> > >
>> > > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and =
its=20
>> video
>> > > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on =
cell=20
>> phones to
>> > > allow them to access iTunes.
>> > >
>> > > Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything=20
>> else.
>> > > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has =
to look=20
>> like he
>> > > was out in front all along.
>> > >
>> > > /m
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam=20
>> <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Randy wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & =
that the=20
>> phones
>> > > >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got =
coz it has=20
>> an MP3
>> > > >player & an fm radio....
>> > > >
>> > > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the =
radio=20
>> or the mp3
>> > > >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so=20
>> if like
>> > > >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc =
& then=20
>> "forget"
>> > > >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering =
what's=20
>> going on
>> > > >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
>> > > >
>> > > ><G>
>> > > >
>> > > >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian =
etc) & was=20
>> very
>> > > >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted =
music +=20
>> radio & a
>> > > >nice neat (small) phone.
>> > > >
>> > > >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any =
net=20
>> related things.
>> > > >
>> > > >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's =
"personal"=20
>> computer
>> > > >being the smartphone in their pocket.
>> > > >
>> > > >Adam
>=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You're just as guilty. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You should expect to be =
able to=20
defend whatever nonsense you post. If you post nonsense should =
you not=20
expect to be called on it? Should you not expect to defend it if =
questioned? Maybe you and mike miller believe that you are above =
being=20
challenged. mike miller we all know has an agenda. Look at =
just=20
this thread to see how when questioned he either changes the topic or =
declares=20
that he has nothing more to say never actually defending any of his=20
claims.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Randy" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net">news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>In=20
our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a new =
chain=20
<BR>saw: everything is game for cutting down.<BR><BR>As for his =
behavior=20
here, here's a thought: I don't belive that MSFT offers <BR>training =
on=20
being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely seek it out =
<BR>and=20
reward it.<BR><BR>Have a look at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/">http://www.micros=
oft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/</A>=20
and do a <BR>search for where the word "honest" appears.<BR><BR>Then =
I saw=20
this:<BR><BR>"You may also call the Business Conduct Line at =
1-877-320-MSFT=20
(6738). If <BR>you are calling from outside the United States, you =
may make=20
a collect call <BR>to the Business Conduct Line by accessing an=20
international operator and <BR>asking to place a collect call to=20
1-704-540-0139. The Business Conduct Line <BR>is a dedicated, =
toll-free=20
phone line that is available to you 24 hours a <BR>day, 7 days a =
week, 365=20
days a year. It is operated by an external <BR>third-party vendor =
that has=20
trained professionals to take your calls, in <BR>confidence, and =
report your=20
concerns to the Microsoft Director of Compliance <BR>for appropriate =
action.=20
Your phone calls to the Business Conduct Line may be <BR>made =
anonymously.=20
"<BR><BR>'nuff said?<BR><BR><BR>"Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com">news:fb0191li9sk=
dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com</A>...<BR>><BR>>=20
I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's<BR>>=20
diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online=20
discussions.<BR>><BR>> What I wonder is if Microsoft's online =
persona=20
go through some manner of<BR>> training, because many of them =
seem to use=20
the same tactics over and<BR>> over.<BR>><BR>> =20
/m<shrug><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 =
-0500,=20
"Randy" <@> wrote:<BR>><BR>>>Who whould have thought =
that Joe=20
Barr is right.<BR>>> "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
> =20
I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know it.=20
<BR>>> Read over your spin in this thread starting with your =
claims=20
that <BR>>> everyone except the itunes store is a loser. =
You are=20
saying more than <BR>>> the obvious that apple's investment in =
their=20
itunes store is a bet. I <BR>>> can't believe you have =
the=20
audacity to state in one sentence that you are <BR>>> voicing =
no=20
opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and before =
<BR>>>=20
doing so again. You are spinning so fast you can't=20
see.<BR>>><BR>>> As for your =
follow on=20
bullshit, there is no lock in and never was. <BR>>> Unlike =
apple,=20
Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your =
<BR>>>=20
dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention =
how you=20
<BR>>> have no choice everytime you mention your use any of =
the very=20
large set <BR>>> of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and =
services=20
Microsoft enables for <BR>>> =
Windows.<BR>>><BR>>> =20
Rich<BR>>><BR>>> "Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...<BR>>> =20
> Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.<BR>>><BR>>> I live with =
myself just=20
fine Rich. I find no need to let=20
computers<BR>>> affect my living =
situation. =20
But I have to wonder why you are<BR>>> =20
projecting?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =20
> Do you really think the itunes store would sell the =
same if=20
apple <BR>>> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the =
only=20
store they can use?<BR>>><BR>>> I =
voice no=20
opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that Apple's =
<BR>>>=20
focus<BR>>> is on iTunes and not necessarily =
iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes =
is<BR>>> =20
the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even=20
that.<BR>>> Probably more of "too late to =
the=20
party".<BR>>><BR>>> Whenever Microsoft =
feels=20
the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound <BR>>>=20
upon<BR>>> some "new direction", I know that =
Microsft has found themelves behind<BR>>> =
the market=20
leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20
to<BR>>> catch=20
=
up.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =20
>> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
store?<BR>>><BR>>> Coming from a =
Microsoft=20
employee, that is a very interesting=20
comment.<BR>>><BR>>> I mean, if the =
users were=20
not locked into Windows, would they =
have<BR>>> =20
chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
<BR>>> entered<BR>>> as evidence in =
the=20
anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft=20
needed<BR>>> to leverage the Windows =
monopoly in=20
order to make IE the defacto <BR>>>=20
browser<BR>>> "of=20
choice".<BR>>><BR>>> If the users were =
not=20
locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in <BR>>>=20
the<BR>>> percentages that they currently=20
do?<BR>>><BR>>> /m<probably=20
=
not...><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> &nb=
sp;=20
On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> > =
Keep=20
spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
yourself.<BR>>> =
><BR>>> =20
> Do you really think the itunes store would sell the =
same if=20
apple <BR>>> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the =
only=20
store they can use?<BR>>> =20
><BR>>> > If users are not =
locked=20
in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?<BR>>> =20
><BR>>> =
>Rich<BR>>> =20
><BR>>> > "Mike '/m'" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>>> =20
><BR>>> > It must really suck =
for your=20
employer to be the loser in the online<BR>>> =
> music race, eh Rich?<BR>>> =20
><BR>>> > Despite what you are =
trying to=20
spin me as saying, I am actually <BR>>>=20
saying<BR>>> > that Apple is =
betting on=20
iTunes (an/or its video successor), not <BR>>>=20
iPod.<BR>>> > I say no more or no=20
less. Despite what you try to =
spin.<BR>>> =20
><BR>>> > Give those rotator =
cuffs a=20
rest for a change, will ya?<BR>>> =20
><BR>>> > =20
/m<BR>>> ><BR>>> =20
><BR>>> =
><BR>>> =20
><BR>>> =
><BR>>> =20
> On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@>=20
wrote:<BR>>> =
><BR>>> =20
> > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, =
mike, you=20
could see the <BR>>> obvious and how silly you=20
sound.<BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > > Why =
will=20
phones win out, for the same reason phones are winning <BR>>> =
over=20
many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can carry=20
one?<BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > > Apple =
will=20
follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting their <BR>>> =
software=20
onto phones. There is a difference from the ipod. Unless =
apple=20
<BR>>> restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users =
multiple choices, <BR>>> the phone manufacturers and carriers =
have no=20
reason to lock in their <BR>>> customers to the itunes store =
like=20
apple does.<BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > =20
>Rich<BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > > "Mike '/m'" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>>> =20
> ><BR>>> > > =
It's not=20
iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its <BR>>>=20
video<BR>>> > > =
follow-up). =20
Apple is already putting iPod software on cell <BR>>> phones=20
to<BR>>> > > allow them to =
access=20
iTunes.<BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > > Gates' =
comment was=20
more of a specious smokescreen than anything <BR>>>=20
else.<BR>>> > > Apple =
caught him=20
napping in this space, and now he has to look <BR>>> like=20
he<BR>>> > > was out in =
front all=20
along.<BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > > =20
/m<BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > =20
><BR>>> > > On Fri, 20 =
May 2005=20
14:01:23 +0100, Adam <BR>>> <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>><BR>>> =20
> > wrote:<BR>>> =
> =20
><BR>>> > > >Randy=20
wrote:<BR>>> > > =20
><BR>>> > > >> I =
just 1=20
GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....<BR>>> =20
> > >><BR>>> =
> =20
> >> 500+ of AAC-encoded=20
songs-sweet!<BR>>> > > =20
>><BR>>> > > =20
><BR>>> > > >Ditto. =
I agree=20
with Gates that the Ipod won't last & that the <BR>>>=20
phones<BR>>> > > >will =
eat it's=20
lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has <BR>>> an=20
MP3<BR>>> > > >player =
& an=20
fm radio....<BR>>> > > =20
><BR>>> > > >A mondo =
bizarro=20
bit is that if you are listening to the radio <BR>>> or the=20
mp3<BR>>> > > >player =
&=20
someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so <BR>>> =
if=20
like<BR>>> > > >me you =
often=20
set your phone to silent for meetings etc & then <BR>>>=20
"forget"<BR>>> > > >to=20
re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's =
<BR>>>=20
going on<BR>>> > > >coz =
the=20
music/radio just suddenly =
goes....silent....<BR>>> =20
> > ><BR>>> > =20
> ><G><BR>>> > =
> =20
><BR>>> > > >I had a =
look at=20
the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & was <BR>>>=20
very<BR>>> > > =
>impressed but @=20
the end of the day...I just wanted music + <BR>>> radio &=20
a<BR>>> > > >nice neat =
(small)=20
phone.<BR>>> > > =20
><BR>>> > > >I like =
the way=20
most of them now try wifi first for any net <BR>>> related=20
things.<BR>>> > > =20
><BR>>> > > >I =
reckon we're=20
2-3 years out from most people's "personal" <BR>>>=20
computer<BR>>> > > =
>being the=20
smartphone in their pocket.<BR>>> > =
> ><BR>>> > > =20
>Adam<BR>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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