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Ärende: Re: Defending your own nonsense
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   I disagree.  Even if so it is no excuse for mike miller's bad =
behavior.

Rich

  "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42911888@w3.nls.net...
  You're just as guilty.=20
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net...
       You should expect to be able to defend whatever nonsense you =
post.  If you post nonsense should you not expect to be called on it?  = Should
you not expect to defend it if questioned?  Maybe you and mike = miller believe
that you are above being challenged.  mike miller we all = know has an agenda. 
Look at just this thread to see how when questioned = he either changes the
topic or declares that he has nothing more to say = never actually defending
any of his claims.

    Rich

      "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net...
      In our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a =
new chain=20
      saw: everything is game for cutting down.

      As for his behavior here, here's a thought: I don't belive that =
MSFT offers=20
      training on being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely =
seek it out=20
      and reward it.

      Have a look at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/ and =
do a=20
      search for where the word "honest" appears.

      Then I saw this:

      "You may also call the Business Conduct Line at 1-877-320-MSFT =
(6738). If=20
      you are calling from outside the United States, you may make a =
collect call=20
      to the Business Conduct Line by accessing an international =
operator and=20
      asking to place a collect call to 1-704-540-0139. The Business =
Conduct Line=20
      is a dedicated, toll-free phone line that is available to you 24 =
hours a=20
      day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is operated by an external =

      third-party vendor that has trained professionals to take your =
calls, in=20
      confidence, and report your concerns to the Microsoft Director of =
Compliance=20
      for appropriate action. Your phone calls to the Business Conduct =
Line may be=20
      made anonymously. "

      'nuff said?


      "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
      news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...
      >
      > I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich Shupak's
      > diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions.
      >
      > What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some =
manner of
      > training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics over =
and
      > over.
      >
      >  /m<shrug>
      >
      >
      > On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:
      >
      >>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right.
      >>  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
      >>     I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not =
know it.=20
      >> Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims =
that=20
      >> everyone except the itunes store is a loser.  You are saying =
more than=20
      >> the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a =
bet.  I=20
      >> can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence =
that you are=20
      >> voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and =
before=20
      >> doing so again.  You are spinning so fast you can't see.
      >>
      >>     As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and =
never was.=20
      >> Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice.  Go ahead, continue =
your=20
      >> dishonesty, and pretend you have none.  Make sure you mention =
how you=20
      >> have no choice everytime you mention your use any of the very =
large set=20
      >> of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft =
enables for=20
      >> Windows.
      >>
      >>  Rich
      >>
      >>    "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
      >> news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
      >>    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
      >>
      >>    I live with myself just fine Rich.  I find no need to let =
computers
      >>    affect my living situation.  But I have to wonder why you =
are
      >>    projecting?
      >>
      >>
      >>    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple=20
      >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they =
can use?
      >>
      >>    I voice no opinion on the iTunes store.  I merely say that =
Apple's=20
      >> focus
      >>    is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod.   iPod is the means, =
iTunes is
      >>    the end.  And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even =
that.
      >>    Probably more of "too late to the party".
      >>
      >>    Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound=20
      >> upon
      >>    some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found =
themelves behind
      >>    the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need =
to try to
      >>    catch up.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>    >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?
      >>
      >>    Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment.
      >>
      >>    I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would =
they have
      >>    chosen IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' =
emails=20
      >> entered
      >>    as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that =
Microsoft needed
      >>    to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the =
defacto=20
      >> browser
      >>    "of choice".
      >>
      >>    If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows =
Media in=20
      >> the
      >>    percentages that they currently do?
      >>
      >>     /m<probably not...>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>    On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
      >>
      >>    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
      >>    >
      >>    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple=20
      >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they =
can use?
      >>    >
      >>    >   If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?
      >>    >
      >>    >Rich
      >>    >
      >>    >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
      >> news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
      >>    >
      >>    >  It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in =
the online
      >>    >  music race, eh Rich?
      >>    >
      >>    >  Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually=20
      >> saying
      >>    >  that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not=20
      >> iPod.
      >>    >  I say no more or no less.  Despite what you try to spin.
      >>    >
      >>    >  Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
      >>    >
      >>    >   /m
      >>    >
      >>    >
      >>    >
      >>    >
      >>    >
      >>    >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
      >>    >
      >>    >  >   If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you =
could see the=20
      >> obvious and how silly you sound.
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >   Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones =
are winning=20
      >> over many PDA users?  Why carry two devices when you can carry =
one?
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >   Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their=20
      >> software onto phones.  There is a difference from the ipod.  =
Unless apple=20
      >> restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users =
multiple choices,=20
      >> the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in =
their=20
      >> customers to the itunes store like apple does.
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >Rich
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
      >> news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >  It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes =
(and its=20
      >> video
      >>    >  >  follow-up).  Apple is already putting iPod software on =
cell=20
      >> phones to
      >>    >  >  allow them to access iTunes.
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >  Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything=20
      >> else.
      >>    >  >  Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has =
to look=20
      >> like he
      >>    >  >  was out in front all along.
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >   /m
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam=20
      >> <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
      >>    >  >  wrote:
      >>    >  >
      >>    >  >  >Randy wrote:
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....
      >>    >  >  >>
      >>    >  >  >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
      >>    >  >  >>
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & =
that the=20
      >> phones
      >>    >  >  >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got =
coz it has=20
      >> an MP3
      >>    >  >  >player & an fm radio....
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to =
the radio=20
      >> or the mp3
      >>    >  >  >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so=20
      >> if like
      >>    >  >  >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings =
etc & then=20
      >> "forget"
      >>    >  >  >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left =
wondering what's=20
      >> going on
      >>    >  >  >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  ><G>
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian =
etc) & was=20
      >> very
      >>    >  >  >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted =
music +=20
      >> radio & a
      >>    >  >  >nice neat (small) phone.
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for =
any net=20
      >> related things.
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's =
"personal"=20
      >> computer
      >>    >  >  >being the smartphone in their pocket.
      >>    >  >  >
      >>    >  >  >Adam
      >=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
disagree.&nbsp;&nbsp;Even if so it=20 is no excuse for mike miller's bad
behavior.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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  <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42911888@w3.nls.net">news:42911888@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You're just as guilty. </FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net">news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You should expect to =
be able to=20
    defend whatever nonsense you post.&nbsp; If you post nonsense should =
you not=20
    expect to be called on it?&nbsp; Should you not expect to defend it =
if=20
    questioned?&nbsp; Maybe you and mike miller believe that you are =
above being=20
    challenged.&nbsp; mike miller we all know has an agenda.&nbsp; Look =
at just=20
    this thread to see how when questioned he either changes the topic =
or=20
    declares that he has nothing more to say never actually defending =
any of his=20
    claims.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net">news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>In=20
      our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a new =
chain=20
      <BR>saw: everything is game for cutting down.<BR><BR>As for his =
behavior=20
      here, here's a thought: I don't belive that MSFT offers =
<BR>training on=20
      being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely seek it out =
<BR>and=20
      reward it.<BR><BR>Have a look at <A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/">http://www.micros=
oft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/</A>=20
      and do a <BR>search for where the word "honest" =
appears.<BR><BR>Then I saw=20
      this:<BR><BR>"You may also call the Business Conduct Line at=20
      1-877-320-MSFT (6738). If <BR>you are calling from outside the =
United=20
      States, you may make a collect call <BR>to the Business Conduct =
Line by=20
      accessing an international operator and <BR>asking to place a =
collect call=20
      to 1-704-540-0139. The Business Conduct Line <BR>is a dedicated, =
toll-free=20
      phone line that is available to you 24 hours a <BR>day, 7 days a =
week, 365=20
      days a year. It is operated by an external <BR>third-party vendor =
that has=20
      trained professionals to take your calls, in <BR>confidence, and =
report=20
      your concerns to the Microsoft Director of Compliance <BR>for =
appropriate=20
      action. Your phone calls to the Business Conduct Line may be =
<BR>made=20
      anonymously. "<BR><BR>'nuff said?<BR><BR><BR>"Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
      <BR><A=20
      =
href=3D"news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com">news:fb0191li9sk=
dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
      I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's<BR>&gt;=20
      diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online=20
      discussions.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What I wonder is if Microsoft's =
online=20
      persona go through some manner of<BR>&gt; training, because many =
of them=20
      seem to use the same tactics over and<BR>&gt; =
over.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
      /m&lt;shrug&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On Sun, 22 May 2005 =
00:18:26=20
      -0500, "Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Who whould have =
thought=20
      that Joe Barr is right.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote =
in=20
      message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it.=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; Read over your spin in this thread starting with your =
claims=20
      that <BR>&gt;&gt; everyone except the itunes store is a =
loser.&nbsp; You=20
      are saying more than <BR>&gt;&gt; the obvious that apple's =
investment in=20
      their itunes store is a bet.&nbsp; I <BR>&gt;&gt; can't believe =
you have=20
      the audacity to state in one sentence that you are <BR>&gt;&gt; =
voicing no=20
      opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and before =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      doing so again.&nbsp; You are spinning so fast you can't=20
      see.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As for your =
follow on=20
      bullshit, there is no lock in and never was. <BR>&gt;&gt; Unlike =
apple,=20
      Microsoft provides choice.&nbsp; Go ahead, continue your =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      dishonesty, and pretend you have none.&nbsp; Make sure you mention =
how you=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; have no choice everytime you mention your use any of =
the very=20
      large set <BR>&gt;&gt; of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and =
services=20
      Microsoft enables for <BR>&gt;&gt; =
Windows.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
      Rich<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keep spinning if that is what you need to live =
with=20
      yourself.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I live with =
myself=20
      just fine Rich.&nbsp; I find no need to let=20
      computers<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; affect my living =
situation.&nbsp;=20
      But I have to wonder why you are<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      projecting?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you really think the itunes store would sell =
the same=20
      if apple <BR>&gt;&gt; did not lock in ipod users so that this was =
the only=20
      store they can use?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
voice no=20
      opinion on the iTunes store.&nbsp; I merely say that Apple's =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      focus<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is on iTunes and not =
necessarily=20
      iPod.&nbsp;&nbsp; iPod is the means, iTunes=20
      is<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the end.&nbsp; And Microsoft is =
the=20
      also-ran, perhaps not even that.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Probably=20
      more of "too late to the =
party".<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =

      <BR>&gt;&gt; upon<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; some "new =
direction", I=20
      know that Microsft has found themelves=20
      behind<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the market leader and have =
belatedly=20
      realized that they need to try to<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
catch=20
      =
up.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&gt; If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes=20
      store?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Coming from a =
Microsoft=20
      employee, that is a very interesting=20
      comment.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I mean, if the =
users=20
      were not locked into Windows, would they=20
      have<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; chosen IE over Netscape?&nbsp; =
It seems=20
      that Microsoft execs' emails <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      entered<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; as evidence in the =
anti-trist trials=20
      have stated that Microsoft needed<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to =

      leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      browser<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "of=20
      choice".<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If the users =
were not=20
      locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      the<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; percentages that they currently=20
      do?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /m&lt;probably =

      =
not...&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
      On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt;=20
      wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Keep=20
      spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
      yourself.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you really think the itunes store would sell =
the same=20
      if apple <BR>&gt;&gt; did not lock in ipod users so that this was =
the only=20
      store they can use?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; If users are =
not=20
      locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
      store?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; It must really suck =
for your=20
      employer to be the loser in the =
online<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; music race, eh Rich?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Despite what you are =
trying=20
      to spin me as saying, I am actually <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      saying<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; that Apple is =
betting on=20
      iTunes (an/or its video successor), not <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      iPod.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; I say no more or no =

      less.&nbsp; Despite what you try to =
spin.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Give those rotator =
cuffs a=20
      rest for a change, will ya?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      /m<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt;=20
      wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you weren't blinded by your agenda, =
mike,=20
      you could see the <BR>&gt;&gt; obvious and how silly you=20
      sound.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why =
will=20
      phones win out, for the same reason phones are winning =
<BR>&gt;&gt; over=20
      many PDA users?&nbsp; Why carry two devices when you can carry=20
      one?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Apple will=20
      follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting their <BR>&gt;&gt; =
software=20
      onto phones.&nbsp; There is a difference from the ipod.&nbsp; =
Unless apple=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; restricts their OEM licensees from offering their =
users=20
      multiple choices, <BR>&gt;&gt; the phone manufacturers and =
carriers have=20
      no reason to lock in their <BR>&gt;&gt; customers to the itunes =
store like=20
      apple does.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "Mike =
'/m'"=20
      &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
      message <BR>&gt;&gt; <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; It's=20
      not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      video<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      follow-up).&nbsp; Apple is already putting iPod software on cell=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; phones to<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      allow them to access iTunes.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Gates' =
comment=20
      was more of a specious smokescreen than anything <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      else.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Apple =
caught him=20
      napping in this space, and now he has to look <BR>&gt;&gt; like=20
      he<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; was out in =
front=20
      all along.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      /m<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; On Fri, =
20 May=20
      2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam <BR>&gt;&gt; &lt;<A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Randy =

      wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; =
I just 1=20
      GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want=20
      MORE....<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&gt; 500+=20
      of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;Ditto. I=20
      agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last &amp; that the =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      phones<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;will eat=20
      it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has =
<BR>&gt;&gt; an=20
      MP3<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;player =
&amp;=20
      an fm radio....<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;A =
mondo=20
      bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the radio <BR>&gt;&gt; =
or the=20
      mp3<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;player =
&amp;=20
      someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so =
<BR>&gt;&gt; if=20
      like<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;me =
you often=20
      set your phone to silent for meetings etc &amp; then <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      "forget"<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;to=20
      re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      going on<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;coz the=20
      music/radio just suddenly =
goes....silent....<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&lt;G&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; &gt;I=20
      had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) &amp; was=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; very<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted music +=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; radio &amp; a<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;nice neat (small) =
phone.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I like the way most of them now try wifi first for =
any net=20
      <BR>&gt;&gt; related things.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; &gt;I=20
      reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
      computer<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;being the=20
      smartphone in their pocket.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
      &gt;Adam<BR>&gt; =
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