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Ärende: Re: Defending your own nonsense
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From: "Randy" <@>

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I disagree - you both exhibit the same behaviors. =20
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42911c76@w3.nls.net...
     I disagree.  Even if so it is no excuse for mike miller's bad =
behavior.

  Rich

    "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:42911888@w3.nls.net...
    You're just as guilty.=20
      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net...
         You should expect to be able to defend whatever nonsense you =
post.  If you post nonsense should you not expect to be called on it?  = Should
you not expect to defend it if questioned?  Maybe you and mike = miller believe
that you are above being challenged.  mike miller we all = know has an agenda. 
Look at just this thread to see how when questioned = he either changes the
topic or declares that he has nothing more to say = never actually defending
any of his claims.

      Rich

        "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net...
        In our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a =
new chain=20
        saw: everything is game for cutting down.

        As for his behavior here, here's a thought: I don't belive that =
MSFT offers=20
        training on being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely =
seek it out=20
        and reward it.

        Have a look at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/ =
and do a=20
        search for where the word "honest" appears.

        Then I saw this:

        "You may also call the Business Conduct Line at 1-877-320-MSFT =
(6738). If=20
        you are calling from outside the United States, you may make a =
collect call=20
        to the Business Conduct Line by accessing an international =
operator and=20
        asking to place a collect call to 1-704-540-0139. The Business =
Conduct Line=20
        is a dedicated, toll-free phone line that is available to you 24 =
hours a=20
        day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is operated by an =
external=20
        third-party vendor that has trained professionals to take your =
calls, in=20
        confidence, and report your concerns to the Microsoft Director =
of Compliance=20
        for appropriate action. Your phone calls to the Business Conduct =
Line may be=20
        made anonymously. "

        'nuff said?


        "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
        news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...
        >
        > I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's
        > diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online =
discussions.
        >
        > What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some =
manner of
        > training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics =
over and
        > over.
        >
        >  /m<shrug>
        >
        >
        > On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:
        >
        >>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right.
        >>  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
        >>     I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and =
not know it.=20
        >> Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims =
that=20
        >> everyone except the itunes store is a loser.  You are saying =
more than=20
        >> the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is =
a bet.  I=20
        >> can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence =
that you are=20
        >> voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so =
and before=20
        >> doing so again.  You are spinning so fast you can't see.
        >>
        >>     As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and =
never was.=20
        >> Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice.  Go ahead, continue =
your=20
        >> dishonesty, and pretend you have none.  Make sure you mention =
how you=20
        >> have no choice everytime you mention your use any of the very =
large set=20
        >> of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft =
enables for=20
        >> Windows.
        >>
        >>  Rich
        >>
        >>    "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
        >> news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
        >>    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
        >>
        >>    I live with myself just fine Rich.  I find no need to let =
computers
        >>    affect my living situation.  But I have to wonder why you =
are
        >>    projecting?
        >>
        >>
        >>    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the =
same if apple=20
        >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store =
they can use?
        >>
        >>    I voice no opinion on the iTunes store.  I merely say that =
Apple's=20
        >> focus
        >>    is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod.   iPod is the =
means, iTunes is
        >>    the end.  And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even =
that.
        >>    Probably more of "too late to the party".
        >>
        >>    Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound=20
        >> upon
        >>    some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found =
themelves behind
        >>    the market leader and have belatedly realized that they =
need to try to
        >>    catch up.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>    >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?
        >>
        >>    Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very =
interesting comment.
        >>
        >>    I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would =
they have
        >>    chosen IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' =
emails=20
        >> entered
        >>    as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that =
Microsoft needed
        >>    to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the =
defacto=20
        >> browser
        >>    "of choice".
        >>
        >>    If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows =
Media in=20
        >> the
        >>    percentages that they currently do?
        >>
        >>     /m<probably not...>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>    On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
        >>
        >>    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
        >>    >
        >>    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the =
same if apple=20
        >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store =
they can use?
        >>    >
        >>    >   If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?
        >>    >
        >>    >Rich
        >>    >
        >>    >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
        >> news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
        >>    >
        >>    >  It must really suck for your employer to be the loser =
in the online
        >>    >  music race, eh Rich?
        >>    >
        >>    >  Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually=20
        >> saying
        >>    >  that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not=20
        >> iPod.
        >>    >  I say no more or no less.  Despite what you try to =
spin.
        >>    >
        >>    >  Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
        >>    >
        >>    >   /m
        >>    >
        >>    >
        >>    >
        >>    >
        >>    >
        >>    >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
        >>    >
        >>    >  >   If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you =
could see the=20
        >> obvious and how silly you sound.
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >   Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones =
are winning=20
        >> over many PDA users?  Why carry two devices when you can =
carry one?
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >   Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their=20
        >> software onto phones.  There is a difference from the ipod.  =
Unless apple=20
        >> restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users =
multiple choices,=20
        >> the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock =
in their=20
        >> customers to the itunes store like apple does.
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >Rich
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
        >> news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >  It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes =
(and its=20
        >> video
        >>    >  >  follow-up).  Apple is already putting iPod software =
on cell=20
        >> phones to
        >>    >  >  allow them to access iTunes.
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >  Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen =
than anything=20
        >> else.
        >>    >  >  Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he =
has to look=20
        >> like he
        >>    >  >  was out in front all along.
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >   /m
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam=20
        >> <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
        >>    >  >  wrote:
        >>    >  >
        >>    >  >  >Randy wrote:
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....
        >>    >  >  >>
        >>    >  >  >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
        >>    >  >  >>
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last =
& that the=20
        >> phones
        >>    >  >  >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I =
got coz it has=20
        >> an MP3
        >>    >  >  >player & an fm radio....
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to =
the radio=20
        >> or the mp3
        >>    >  >  >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so=20
        >> if like
        >>    >  >  >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings =
etc & then=20
        >> "forget"
        >>    >  >  >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left =
wondering what's=20
        >> going on
        >>    >  >  >coz the music/radio just suddenly =
goes....silent....
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  ><G>
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, =
symbian etc) & was=20
        >> very
        >>    >  >  >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted =
music +=20
        >> radio & a
        >>    >  >  >nice neat (small) phone.
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for =
any net=20
        >> related things.
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's =
"personal"=20
        >> computer
        >>    >  >  >being the smartphone in their pocket.
        >>    >  >  >
        >>    >  >  >Adam
        >=20


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I disagree - you both exhibit the same behaviors.=20
&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42911c76@w3.nls.net">news:42911c76@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
disagree.&nbsp;&nbsp;Even if so it=20
  is no excuse for mike miller's bad behavior.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:42911888@w3.nls.net">news:42911888@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You're just as guilty. </FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net">news:4290ceaf@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You should expect to =
be able to=20
      defend whatever nonsense you post.&nbsp; If you post nonsense =
should you=20
      not expect to be called on it?&nbsp; Should you not expect to =
defend it if=20
      questioned?&nbsp; Maybe you and mike miller believe that you are =
above=20
      being challenged.&nbsp; mike miller we all know has an =
agenda.&nbsp; Look=20
      at just this thread to see how when questioned he either changes =
the topic=20
      or declares that he has nothing more to say never actually =
defending any=20
      of his claims.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net">news:4290b4e2$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>In=20
        our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a =
new chain=20
        <BR>saw: everything is game for cutting down.<BR><BR>As for his =
behavior=20
        here, here's a thought: I don't belive that MSFT offers =
<BR>training on=20
        being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely seek it out =
<BR>and=20
        reward it.<BR><BR>Have a look at <A=20
        =
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/">http://www.micros=
oft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/</A>=20
        and do a <BR>search for where the word "honest" =
appears.<BR><BR>Then I=20
        saw this:<BR><BR>"You may also call the Business Conduct Line at =

        1-877-320-MSFT (6738). If <BR>you are calling from outside the =
United=20
        States, you may make a collect call <BR>to the Business Conduct =
Line by=20
        accessing an international operator and <BR>asking to place a =
collect=20
        call to 1-704-540-0139. The Business Conduct Line <BR>is a =
dedicated,=20
        toll-free phone line that is available to you 24 hours a =
<BR>day, 7 days=20
        a week, 365 days a year. It is operated by an external =
<BR>third-party=20
        vendor that has trained professionals to take your calls, in=20
        <BR>confidence, and report your concerns to the Microsoft =
Director of=20
        Compliance <BR>for appropriate action. Your phone calls to the =
Business=20
        Conduct Line may be <BR>made anonymously. "<BR><BR>'nuff=20
        said?<BR><BR><BR>"Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
        <BR><A=20
        =
href=3D"news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com">news:fb0191li9sk=
dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
        I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's<BR>&gt;=20
        diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online=20
        discussions.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What I wonder is if Microsoft's =
online=20
        persona go through some manner of<BR>&gt; training, because many =
of them=20
        seem to use the same tactics over and<BR>&gt;=20
        over.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
/m&lt;shrug&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On=20
        Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" &lt;@&gt;=20
        wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Who whould have thought that Joe Barr =
is=20
        right.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it.=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; Read over your spin in this thread starting with =
your=20
        claims that <BR>&gt;&gt; everyone except the itunes store is a=20
        loser.&nbsp; You are saying more than <BR>&gt;&gt; the obvious =
that=20
        apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet.&nbsp; I =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence =
that you=20
        are <BR>&gt;&gt; voicing no opinion on the itunes store both =
after doing=20
        so and before <BR>&gt;&gt; doing so again.&nbsp; You are =
spinning so=20
        fast you can't =
see.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As=20
        for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was.=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice.&nbsp; Go =
ahead,=20
        continue your <BR>&gt;&gt; dishonesty, and pretend you have =
none.&nbsp;=20
        Make sure you mention how you <BR>&gt;&gt; have no choice =
everytime you=20
        mention your use any of the very large set <BR>&gt;&gt; of =
non-Microsoft=20
        hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        Windows.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
        Rich<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Mike '/m'" =
&lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keep spinning if that is what you need to live =
with=20
        yourself.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I live with =
myself=20
        just fine Rich.&nbsp; I find no need to let=20
        computers<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; affect my living=20
        situation.&nbsp; But I have to wonder why you=20
        are<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        =
projecting?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you really think the itunes store would sell =
the=20
        same if apple <BR>&gt;&gt; did not lock in ipod users so that =
this was=20
        the only store they can =
use?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
        voice no opinion on the iTunes store.&nbsp; I merely say that =
Apple's=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; focus<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is on iTunes =
and not=20
        necessarily iPod.&nbsp;&nbsp; iPod is the means, iTunes=20
        is<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the end.&nbsp; And Microsoft is =
the=20
        also-ran, perhaps not even that.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Probably=20
        more of "too late to the=20
        party".<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Whenever =
Microsoft=20
        feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        upon<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; some "new direction", I know =
that=20
        Microsft has found themelves =
behind<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the=20
        market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20
        to<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; catch=20
        =
up.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&gt; If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes=20
        store?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Coming from a =
Microsoft=20
        employee, that is a very interesting=20
        comment.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I mean, if =
the users=20
        were not locked into Windows, would they=20
        have<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; chosen IE over =
Netscape?&nbsp; It=20
        seems that Microsoft execs' emails <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        entered<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; as evidence in the =
anti-trist=20
        trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =

        <BR>&gt;&gt; browser<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "of=20
        choice".<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If the users =
were not=20
        locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        the<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; percentages that they =
currently=20
        do?<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
/m&lt;probably=20
        =
not...&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
        On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt;=20
        wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keep=20
        spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
        yourself.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you =
really think=20
        the itunes store would sell the same if apple <BR>&gt;&gt; did =
not lock=20
        in ipod users so that this was the only store they can=20
        use?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; If users are not locked in, why would they pick =
the=20
        itunes store?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A =

        href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; It must really =
suck for=20
        your employer to be the loser in the=20
        online<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; music race, eh=20
        Rich?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I =
am=20
        actually <BR>&gt;&gt; saying<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not =

        <BR>&gt;&gt; iPod.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; I =
say no=20
        more or no less.&nbsp; Despite what you try to=20
        spin.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will=20
        ya?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; /m<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; On Fri, 20 May =
2005=20
        17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt; =
wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
If you=20
        weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        obvious and how silly you sound.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why will phones win out, for the same reason =
phones are=20
        winning <BR>&gt;&gt; over many PDA users?&nbsp; Why carry two =
devices=20
        when you can carry one?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =

        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Apple=20
        will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting their =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        software onto phones.&nbsp; There is a difference from the =
ipod.&nbsp;=20
        Unless apple <BR>&gt;&gt; restricts their OEM licensees from =
offering=20
        their users multiple choices, <BR>&gt;&gt; the phone =
manufacturers and=20
        carriers have no reason to lock in their <BR>&gt;&gt; customers =
to the=20
        itunes store like apple does.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "Mike =
'/m'"=20
        &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
        message <BR>&gt;&gt; <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; It's=20
        not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        video<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        follow-up).&nbsp; Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =

        <BR>&gt;&gt; phones to<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; allow them to access =
iTunes.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; else.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to look=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; like he<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        was out in front all along.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        /m<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; On Fri, =
20 May=20
        2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam <BR>&gt;&gt; &lt;<A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;Randy=20
        wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&gt; I just=20
        1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want=20
        MORE....<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&gt;=20
        500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last &amp; =
that the=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; phones<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it =
has=20
        <BR>&gt;&gt; an MP3<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;player &amp; an fm radio....<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening =
to the=20
        radio <BR>&gt;&gt; or the mp3<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;player &amp; someone calls you get the selected =
ringing=20
        tones....so <BR>&gt;&gt; if like<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;me you often set your phone to silent =
for=20
        meetings etc &amp; then <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        "forget"<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;to=20
        re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        going on<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;coz the=20
        music/radio just suddenly=20
        goes....silent....<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&lt;G&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I =
had a=20
        look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) &amp; was =
<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        very<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;impressed=20
        but @ the end of the day...I just wanted music + <BR>&gt;&gt; =
radio=20
        &amp; a<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;nice=20
        neat (small) phone.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I =
like the=20
        way most of them now try wifi first for any net <BR>&gt;&gt; =
related=20
        things.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I =
reckon=20
        we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" <BR>&gt;&gt;=20
        computer<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;being=20
        the smartphone in their pocket.<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
        &gt;Adam<BR>&gt;=20
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