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Text 5547, 175 rader
Skriven 2005-06-30 19:57:24 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 5535 av Ellen K. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   The shield shape is used for safety issues where a shield is a symbol =
of protection.  The use of the term sheild or the symbol in this context = was
not introduced by Microsoft.  I've seen used for firewalls and = antivirus.

Rich

  "Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message =
news:dg39c1di1nakjcs258ctlb2sk36kiji1cs@4ax.com...
  Well, if you had a traffic light icon, and the red light would be on =
for
  something bad, the yellow for caution, and the green for OK, that =
would
  be a good use of the red/yellow/green idea. =20

  But honestly I feel the shield shape detracts from the message, it =
looks
  like some kind of jewelry or something.

  On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:21 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote in message
  <42c017b8@w3.nls.net>:

  >   You really have no clue what red and yellow icons mean?  Windows =
has used these colors with different shapes from the begining.  You may = be
more like the users that ignore warnings than you have admitted.
  >
  >Rich
  >
  >  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42bfd2f0@w3.nls.net...
  >  And these icons mean what exactly? I mean I've been running window =
since version 1 and I've got no idea what these mean. The first one = looks
like a close the program icon sort of and the second is totally = foreign to
me.
  >
  >  OTOH a skull and crossbones would be pretty clear to me, it would =
mean poison.
  >
  >  Geo.
  >
  >
  >    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42bf42be@w3.nls.net...
  >       I agree they don't see (perceive) many things we view as =
obvious.   It's not the same as the calendar example since it was, or =
sounds likes it is, modeless.  In this case users can not continue = without
making a choice.  I believe the issue here is what sometimes = gets called
click fatigue.  Still, I don't believe there is an easy = solution.  One may be
to stop prompting users in other cases but = honestly, I don't see many of
these.  Another may be to surprise the = user with buttons with shocking labels
like "Run at my own risk" and = "The safe choice".  I think this last option
would scare some users = enough to offend them and ultimately is vulnerable to
click fatigue.
  >
  >       BTW, I realized after my earlier message that the icon I =
included was from the previous version of the dialog.  The current = warning
dialog contains one of the following two icons.
  >
  >
  >                   =20
  >
  >    Rich

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looks<BR>like=20
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-0700,=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message<BR>&lt;<A=20
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has used=20
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more=20
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  admitted.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; "Geo" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
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href=3D"news:42bfd2f0@w3.nls.net">news:42bfd2f0@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
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since=20
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like a=20
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clear to=20
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  Geo.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote =
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42bf42be@w3.nls.net">news:42bf42be@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I agree they don't see (perceive) many things we view as =
obvious.&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  It's not the same as the calendar example since it was, or sounds =
likes it is,=20
  modeless.&nbsp; In this case users can not continue without making a=20
  choice.&nbsp; I believe the issue here is what sometimes gets called =
click=20
  fatigue.&nbsp; Still, I don't believe there is an easy solution.&nbsp; =
One may=20
  be to stop prompting users in other cases but honestly, I don't see =
many of=20
  these.&nbsp; Another may be to surprise the user with buttons with =
shocking=20
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this=20
  last option would scare some users enough to offend them and =
ultimately is=20
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realized=20
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previous=20
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of the=20
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  =
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