Text 5629, 240 rader
Skriven 2005-07-02 23:04:56 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 5622 av Ellen K. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Rich" <@>
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I agree. Maybe there is a better way but most computer icons, =
whether Windows, Mac, etc are ones that must be learned just like the = stop
sign and often not in use elsewhere. Once learned the visual image = should
bring to mind the meaning. In that regard, a red octogon for a = stop sign is
an example of a meaningless arbitrary choice. The red = though has meaning
whether inherited from or by the stop sign red is = commonly used to indicate
something demanding attention.
Rich
"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message =
news:b9uec1tehigdlu3saf4v20gddh41679p1j@4ax.com...
For a shape to convey meaning, it should be something the person =
seeing
it INSTANTLY associates with a meaning -- a stop sign is a good =
example
(as long as it's also red). It can't be something the person has to
think about to figure out. I don't think the average person would
associate that shape with protection, I guess because shields of that
type are not used in real life today. =20
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:57:25 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote in message
<42c4b004$1@w3.nls.net>:
> The shield shape is used for safety issues where a shield is a =
symbol of protection. The use of the term sheild or the symbol in this =
context was not introduced by Microsoft. I've seen used for firewalls = and
antivirus.
>
>Rich
>
> "Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message =
news:dg39c1di1nakjcs258ctlb2sk36kiji1cs@4ax.com...
> Well, if you had a traffic light icon, and the red light would be =
on for
> something bad, the yellow for caution, and the green for OK, that =
would
> be a good use of the red/yellow/green idea. =20
>
> But honestly I feel the shield shape detracts from the message, it =
looks
> like some kind of jewelry or something.
>
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:21 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote in message
> <42c017b8@w3.nls.net>:
>
> > You really have no clue what red and yellow icons mean? =
Windows has used these colors with different shapes from the begining. = You
may be more like the users that ignore warnings than you have = admitted.
> >
> >Rich
> >
> > "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42bfd2f0@w3.nls.net...
> > And these icons mean what exactly? I mean I've been running =
window since version 1 and I've got no idea what these mean. The first = one
looks like a close the program icon sort of and the second is = totally foreign
to me.
> >
> > OTOH a skull and crossbones would be pretty clear to me, it =
would mean poison.
> >
> > Geo.
> >
> >
> > "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42bf42be@w3.nls.net...
> > I agree they don't see (perceive) many things we view as =
obvious. It's not the same as the calendar example since it was, or =
sounds likes it is, modeless. In this case users can not continue = without
making a choice. I believe the issue here is what sometimes = gets called
click fatigue. Still, I don't believe there is an easy = solution. One may be
to stop prompting users in other cases but = honestly, I don't see many of
these. Another may be to surprise the = user with buttons with shocking labels
like "Run at my own risk" and = "The safe choice". I think this last option
would scare some users = enough to offend them and ultimately is vulnerable to
click fatigue.
> >
> > BTW, I realized after my earlier message that the icon I =
included was from the previous version of the dialog. The current = warning
dialog contains one of the following two icons.
> >
> >
> > =20
> >
> > Rich
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<DIV>"Ellen K." <<A=20
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t;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:b9uec1tehigdlu3saf4v20gddh41679p1j@4ax.com">news:b9uec1tehig=
dlu3saf4v20gddh41679p1j@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>For=20
a shape to convey meaning, it should be something the person =
seeing<BR>it=20
INSTANTLY associates with a meaning -- a stop sign is a good =
example<BR>(as=20
long as it's also red). It can't be something the person has =
to<BR>think=20
about to figure out. I don't think the average person =
would<BR>associate=20
that shape with protection, I guess because shields of that<BR>type =
are not=20
used in real life today. <BR><BR>On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 =
19:57:25=20
-0700, "Rich" <@> wrote in message<BR><<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:42c4b004$1@w3.nls.net">42c4b004$1@w3.nls.net</A>>:<BR><=
BR>> =20
The shield shape is used for safety issues where a shield is a symbol =
of=20
protection. The use of the term sheild or the symbol in this =
context was=20
not introduced by Microsoft. I've seen used for firewalls and=20
antivirus.<BR>><BR>>Rich<BR>><BR>> "Ellen K." <<A =
=
href=3D"mailto:72322.1016@compuserve.com">72322.1016@compuserve.com</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:dg39c1di1nakjcs258ctlb2sk36kiji1cs@4ax.com">news:dg39c1di1na=
kjcs258ctlb2sk36kiji1cs@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
Well, if you had a traffic light icon, and the red light would be on=20
for<BR>> something bad, the yellow for caution, and the green =
for OK,=20
that would<BR>> be a good use of the red/yellow/green =
idea. =20
<BR>><BR>> But honestly I feel the shield shape detracts =
from the=20
message, it looks<BR>> like some kind of jewelry or=20
something.<BR>><BR>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:21 -0700, =
"Rich"=20
<@> wrote in message<BR>> <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:42c017b8@w3.nls.net">42c017b8@w3.nls.net</A>>:<BR>><=
BR>> =20
> You really have no clue what red and yellow icons =
mean? =20
Windows has used these colors with different shapes from the =
begining. =20
You may be more like the users that ignore warnings than you have=20
admitted.<BR>> ><BR>> >Rich<BR>> =20
><BR>> > "Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42bfd2f0@w3.nls.net">news:42bfd2f0@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
=20
> And these icons mean what exactly? I mean I've been running =
window=20
since version 1 and I've got no idea what these mean. The first one =
looks like=20
a close the program icon sort of and the second is totally foreign to=20
me.<BR>> ><BR>> > OTOH a skull and =
crossbones=20
would be pretty clear to me, it would mean poison.<BR>> =20
><BR>> > Geo.<BR>> ><BR>> =20
><BR>> > "Rich" <@> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42bf42be@w3.nls.net">news:42bf42be@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
=20
> I agree they don't see =
(perceive)=20
many things we view as obvious. It's not the same as the =
calendar=20
example since it was, or sounds likes it is, modeless. In this =
case=20
users can not continue without making a choice. I believe the =
issue here=20
is what sometimes gets called click fatigue. Still, I don't =
believe=20
there is an easy solution. One may be to stop prompting users in =
other=20
cases but honestly, I don't see many of these. Another may be to =
surprise the user with buttons with shocking labels like "Run at my =
own risk"=20
and "The safe choice". I think this last option would scare some =
users=20
enough to offend them and ultimately is vulnerable to click=20
fatigue.<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> BTW, I realized after my =
earlier=20
message that the icon I included was from the previous version of the=20
dialog. The current warning dialog contains one of the following =
two=20
icons.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =20
=
> &nb=
sp; =20
<BR>> ><BR>> > =20
Rich<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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