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Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Rich" <@>
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Still, you have no clue.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d70ed9@w3.nls.net...
that doesn't even make sense.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d6d91d@w3.nls.net...
Are you saying to have specific knowledge on the basis of which =
you made your claim? If not, then you have no clue and are simply = making
things up.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d6c031@w3.nls.net...
I didn't say I have no clue, I said to prove it I would have to =
convince them to do it.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d69d63@w3.nls.net...
Again, it is your claim. If you have no clue then why did =
you make your bogus claim? Why do you continue to do so?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d690e2@w3.nls.net...
They only way to prove that would be to get eeye to release a =
virus for each of the as yet unpatched exploits they list on their =
unpublished list. I think it's pretty unlikely I could convince them to = do
that. However once the patches are released and Microsoft admits that = these
are remote anonymous root exploits that should be sufficient proof = for anyone
but you.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d5ef53@w3.nls.net...
You made a claim that 95% of computers are vulnerable to =
the point that eeye could own them. Unless you are ready to admit that = you
were bullshitting you would be able to tell us to which I am = vulnerable. In
fact given your claimed expertise I expect you to say = exactly which and how.
I don't think you can because you were = bullshitting. I don't expect you to
admit it.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d5ec90@w3.nls.net...
Well then you would only be vulnerable to some of these =
for which there are no patches yet =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html
Which ones would depend on what you have installed.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:42d5449b$1@w3.nls.net...
Assume I am running Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server =
2003 SP1 with updates from Windows Update.
Kaiser is not 95% of computers and from what Ellen =
says virtually none of their machines have Internet access.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d51209@w3.nls.net...
You don't really think all I know about eeye is from =
their website do you?
As for your specific machines it's hard to say as I =
don't know what you run on them, but I do know all the thousands of = desktop
machines at Kaiser are susceptable to them. Surely Kaiser = numbers make you
irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:42d4bcad$1@w3.nls.net...
What do you think you can decide from their =
public relations pages? Tell me, how many of my machines are affected = by
each of their claims?
you need to get over your idol worship and pay =
attention to the damage they cause with their irresponsible self-serving =
behavior.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d47e2c@w3.nls.net...
=
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html
those are published and patched
=
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html
those are unpublished and as yet unpatched
Read it and decide for yourself.
Geo.
"John Beckett" =
<FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in message
news:rcl6d1hegtubg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com...
> "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:<42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net>:
> > You should remember that this is true only =
in george's imagination.
>
> Perhaps the 95% is an exaggeration. But there =
have been many examples (I
> think starting with the IIS debacles) that show =
that eeye could have owned
> an extremely large number of computers if =
Microsoft had not changed its
> "release when it's good enough" attitude.
>
> John
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Still, you have no =
clue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that doesn't even make =
sense.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Are you saying to have =
specific=20
knowledge on the basis of which you made your claim? If not, =
then you=20
have no clue and are simply making things up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I didn't say I have no clue, I =
said to prove=20
it I would have to convince them to do it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Again, it is your =
claim. =20
If you have no clue then why did you make your bogus =
claim? Why do=20
you continue to do so?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They only way to prove that =
would be to=20
get eeye to release a virus for each of the as yet unpatched =
exploits=20
they list on their unpublished list. I think it's pretty =
unlikely I=20
could convince them to do that. However once the patches are =
released=20
and Microsoft admits that these are remote anonymous root =
exploits=20
that should be sufficient proof for anyone but =
you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You made a =
claim that 95%=20
of computers are vulnerable to the point that eeye could own =
them. Unless you are ready to admit that you were =
bullshitting=20
you would be able to tell us to which I am vulnerable. =
In fact=20
given your claimed expertise I expect you to say exactly =
which and=20
how. I don't think you can because you were=20
bullshitting. I don't expect you to admit =
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well then you would only =
be=20
vulnerable to some of these for which there are no patches =
yet <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html">http://www=
.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which ones would depend =
on what you=20
have installed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Assume I =
am running=20
Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server 2003 SP1 with updates =
from=20
Windows Update.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Kaiser is =
not 95% of=20
computers and from what Ellen says virtually none of =
their=20
machines have Internet access.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You don't really =
think all I know=20
about eeye is from their website do you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for your specific =
machines=20
it's hard to say as I don't know what you run on them, =
but I=20
do know all the thousands of desktop machines at =
Kaiser are=20
susceptable to them. Surely Kaiser numbers make you =
irrelevant=20
for the purposes of this discussion?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> What =
do you think=20
you can decide from their public relations =
pages? Tell=20
me, how many of my machines are affected by each of =
their=20
claims?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> you =
need to get=20
over your idol worship and pay attention to the =
damage they=20
cause with their irresponsible self-serving=20
behavior.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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=
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html">http://w=
ww.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html</A><BR><BR>those=20
are published and patched<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html">http://www=
.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html</A><BR><BR>those=20
are unpublished and as yet unpatched<BR><BR>Read =
it and=20
decide for =
yourself.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"John=20
Beckett" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname@com=
puserve.com.omit</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
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bg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com</A>...<BR>>=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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t;:<BR>>=20
> You should remember that =
this is=20
true only in george's imagination.<BR>><BR>> =
Perhaps=20
the 95% is an exaggeration. But there have been =
many=20
examples (I<BR>> think starting with the IIS =
debacles)=20
that show that eeye could have owned<BR>> an =
extremely=20
large number of computers if Microsoft had not =
changed=20
its<BR>> "release when it's good enough"=20
attitude.<BR>><BR>>=20
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