Text 6330, 312 rader
Skriven 2005-07-25 12:55:38 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6328 av Gary Britt (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS Antispyware uses VB6 runtime?
============================================
From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com>

>Whoa....

Yep, but they do tend to leave me alone to do my side of the Atlantic too.
<g>

- Bob Comer


"Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
news:42e50c14$1@w3.nls.net...
> Its a disease that can afflict many managers, not just IT ones.  Then when
> you add in the French complexities that not only was it not their idea but
> it wasn't even a Frenchman's idea.  Whoa....
>
> Gary
>
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:42e5056c@w3.nls.net...
>> Yep, but a lot of IT guys are like that, not necessarily just French -- I
>> never have figured out that mindset.
>>
>> - Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>> news:42e503f0$1@w3.nls.net...
>> > <g>   Then they really suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome in
>> > more
>> > than just the usual ways.
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:42e4fcd6@w3.nls.net...
>> >> I don't know about that, but it is definitely worth a shot. I've tried
> to
>> >> help corporate before with it and they are definitely stubborn about
> such
>> >> things.
>> >>
>> >> - Bob Comer <They're French...>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:42e4f9dc@w3.nls.net...
>> >> > Might just make you a hero at work!! <g>
>> >> >
>> >> > Gary
>> >> >
>> >> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:42e46b74$1@w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with
>> >> >> > your
>> >> > clipper
>> >> >> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks, I'll look at that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Bob Comer
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:42e4520f$1@w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with
>> >> >> > your
>> >> > clipper
>> >> >> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > A new version 5 is due out soon.  Will be a free upgrade if you
> buy
>> >> >> > now.
>> >> >> > You can try it 30 days for free.  Should solve your problems.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:42e44541$1@w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6
> for
>> >> >> >> > them
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> All I can say is they made a dreadful decision in not having a
>> >> >> >> clear
>> >> >> > upgrade
>> >> >> >> path, it's the first development tools/language vendor I've ever
>> > known
>> >> > to
>> >> >> > do
>> >> >> >> that, and there's probably more VB6 coders out there right now
> than
>> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> other language.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It just doesn't make business sense to trust that VB6 stuff will
>> > keep
>> >> >> >> running.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >heck, it's still possible to run DOS
>> >> >> >> > apps.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Our parent company is having serious problems keeping their DOS
>> >> >> >> clipper
>> >> >> > app
>> >> >> >> running on XP, memory issues that weren't there before...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >And .Net has "COM Interop".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That doesn't help upgrading VB6 code all that much. (That help
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> > calling
>> >> >> >> old COM components from vb.net)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> - Bob Comer
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:7oe8e15569eq6ortjohk7aaenqkmb6dg6g@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6
> for
>> >> >> >> > them
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps, heck, it's still possible
> to
>> > run
>> >> >> >> > DOS
>> >> >> >> > apps.  And .Net has "COM Interop".
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:12:30 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>> >> >> >> > <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > <42e3f4f7$1@w3.nls.net>:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite,
> I'm
>> >> > saying
>> >> >> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>As I've said before, there's no guarantee the VB6 development
>> >> >> > environment
>> >> >> >> >>will continue to function *now*, much less in the future.
> (sure,
>> > you
>> >> >> >> >>can
>> >> >> >> >>get
>> >> >> >> >>paid for support if it breaks, but it's not cheap)  And as
> anyone
>> >> > knows
>> >> >> >> >>with
>> >> >> >> >>corporate environments, you need to be able to fix this as
>> > business
>> >> >> > rules
>> >> >> >> >>change, or there are bugs discovered.  And past longhorn,
> there's
>> > no
>> >> >> >> >>guarantee the VB6 runtime will function ever. (and only a
>> >> >> >> >>nebulous
>> >> >> >> >>guarantee
>> >> >> >> >>it'll be supported in longhorn)
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>To sum it up, it's to high a risk *not* to rewrite it.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>- Bob Comer
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>news:urs7e11kqsqbusrpem0uom8osd2vm0nqgb@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite,
> I'm
>> >> > saying
>> >> >> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:02:08 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>> >> >> >> >>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > <42e3901a@w3.nls.net>:
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>If you want it to run well you do.  The changes between VB6
> and
>> >> >> >> >>>>VB.NET
>> >> >> >> >>>>is
>> >> >> >> >>>>massive.  Running it through the VB.NET upgrade wizard does
> not
>> >> >> >> >>>>get
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> >> >>>>a
>> >> >> >> >>>>working program if the program is any more advanced than a
>> > "Hello
>> >> >> > world"
>> >> >> >> >>>>type.  Sure, given a lot of time you can fix the
>> >> >> >> >>>>differences,
>> > but
>> >> >> >> >>>>that
>> >> >> >> >>>>same
>> >> >> >> >>>>amount of time can most likely be taken to do a rewrite
>> >> >> >> >>>>using
>> > all
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >>>>new
>> >> >> >> >>>>stuff (or a different language altogether.)
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>- Bob Comer
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>>>news:din6e1hna3158pa89es1380tal3lkvt7bd@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:54:36 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>> >> >> >> >>>>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> > <42e22095$1@w3.nls.net>:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on
>> > VB.NET,
>> >> > how
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> can
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> they
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS
> to
>> >> >> > rewrite
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>Actually yes, everyone should expect them to rewrite it,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>after
>> >> > all,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>Microsoft told all those millions of VB6 developers out
> there
>> >> > that
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>they
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>had
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>to rewrite their apps by deadending VB6 like they did.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>Did VB.NET even exist when the product development began?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>It didn't exist when all our VB5/VB6 code was written, but
> so
>> >> > what,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>that
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>doesn't mean that I don't have to rewrite everything to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>insure
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>it
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>keeps
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>working in the future.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>- Bob Comer
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>"Gregg N" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>news:42e1bdf1$1@w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Rich Gauszka wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft acquired Giant, the company that produced the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Spyware
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>detection
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>program, in December 2004, and lost no time in making it
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>available
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>users the following month.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>"This whole issue begs the question," writes our reader,
>> > "why
>> >> > is
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>using an unsupported development environment against
> their
>> > own
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>guidelines?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Just another case of' 'Do what I say, not what I do'...
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on
>> > VB.NET,
>> >> > how
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> can
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> they
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS
> to
>> >> >> > rewrite
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Did VB.NET even exist when the product development
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> began?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Gregg
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

--- BBBS/NT v4.01 Flag-5
 * Origin: Barktopia BBS Site http://HarborWebs.com:8081 (1:379/45)