Text 5606, 115 rader
Skriven 2004-12-01 01:39:54 av Ed Connell (1:379/1.6)
   Kommentar till text 5255 av Bj?rn Forsstr?m (2:203/614.61)
Ärende: Re: Breaking News!
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Hey, Bj?rn.

 EC>> This marine was operating in an unsecured environment.  I.e., it was
 EC>> combat.

 BrF> But why didn't any of his partners do anything?

Like what?

 BrF>>> You have a good point here and I'm not defending either. They both
 BrF>>> do what they think is right but with the answer in hand it's easy to
 BrF>>> be wise after the event.

 EC>> When you equated the guilt, you were saying that they were operating
 EC>> under similar circumstances, and that just was not the case.

 BrF> Sorry, don't follow you here.

You equated the conduct of the marine and those who beheaded.  One was in 
combat and the other was not.  Different situations.

 EC>> The head guy is from Jordan if I am not mistaken.

 BrF> That might be so, I don't know.

And?

 BrF>>> I don't hate anyone. Trying to see that there is some good in
 BrF>>> eveyone.

 EC>> In the first place, I don't think the rest of the world hates us.
 EC>> Second, that is not an issue when we decide what is right.

 BrF> I don't think they hate you either but we must have the right to
 BrF> question your doings when it have an impact on us or on human rights.

Question all you like.  I don't think your questions will determine our 
decisions though.

 BrF>>> That terrorists are acting like that is no news but that US Marines
 BrF>>> are acting in the same way was news.

 EC>> There you go again.  The US Marines haven't acted in the same way.

 BrF> We see it from different angles (did I spell that right?)

You choose to condemn.  So you condemn.  Arguments from my side have no 
effect on your thinking.  That is, your mind is closed.

 BrF>>> I'm not trying to lecture anyone, just trying to make you understand
 BrF>>> why all this shit is happening to you.

 EC>> What is happening to me?  Do you think I care that much that you are
 EC>> wrong?

 BrF> For one you have to pay more tax to finance this war and obviously you
 BrF> don't.

So am I complaining?

 EC>> We have oppressed no one.  We have liberated 50 millilion.  Stuff that
 EC>> into your pipe.

 BrF> And how many did you kill in WWII, Korea and Vietnam and still are
 BrF> doing in Iraq? Can this be about 10 million? They are still dying in
 BrF> Japan as well... Stuff *that* into *your* pipe.

WWII?  Holy cow.  You just change the subject when you have no steam.  We 
were talking about our current actions.  Of course I don't mind talking 
about WWII.  Ours is a much easier position to defend than Sweden's.

The deal is that we have, by our current actions liberated millions.  What 
have you done but complain.

 EC>> We do what is right.  Why should we let an organization filled with
 EC>> representatives of dictators dictate to us?

 BrF> Isn't good of you to have that self-esteem, never doing anything
 BrF> wrong.

If anyone deserves to have self-esteem it is America.  That you don't like 
our self-esteem is not an argument at all.  It just reflects on you.

 BrF> And what dictators in the UN are you reffering to? And why should you
 BrF> listen to any of the worlds 200 or 300 or whatever, countries. Who is
 BrF> dictating whom?

What countries are as free and open as the US?

 BrF>>> Did you read what I wrote about that USA airplane which is flying
 BrF>>> around in the world collecting folks everywhare and flying them to
 BrF>>> places where they can be interrogated without anyone knowing what's
 BrF>>> going on? This plane has visited Sweden and it's things like this
 BrF>>> that pisses us off. If you should do things like that, well, do it
 BrF>>> so no one finds out and not like another bloody amateur and if you
 BrF>>> do that you have to stand for it.

 EC>> I don't know what you are talking about and likely neither do you.

 BrF> Well, I am and the former English ambassador in Uzbekistan Craig
 BrF> Murray is and the Minister of Foregin Affairs in Sweden is and so are
 BrF> the entire UN and your own universities are but I can understan that
 BrF> you don't. It's embarrassing for you.

It is?  Funny, I hadn't noticed.  That I don't accept your characterization 
of what happened should be no surprise given the way you have misrepresented 
so much before.

 EC>> I'll tell you what - you and your fellows go liberate millions of
 EC>> people, and then get back to me.

 BrF> Will do that.

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