Text 8035, 99 rader
Skriven 2005-01-26 06:14:29 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 8000 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
Ärende: Re: fighting terrorism.
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25 Jan 05 14:31, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:

 DP> On 01-25-05, John Hull said...

 JH>> 24 Jan 05 23:50, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> On 01-24-05, John Hull said...
 JH>> 
 JH>>  JH>> 24 Jan 05 11:57, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:
 JH>> 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> Terrorists are like poisonous snakes.  The only way to 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> deal with them is to cut off their tails.  To be most 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> effective, you musth cut their tails right behind their 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> heads :)  However, for all intents and purposes, if you 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> cut off the funding of the terrorists, and those who 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> harbor terrorists, then that is much more effective.  
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> The flow of mon the life-blood of the torrorists.  The 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> flow of oil is where the money comes from for the 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> terrorists.  Cut off the flow of oil, and you cut the 
 JH>>  JH>>  DP> flow of money.
 JH>>  JH>> 
 JH>>  JH>> Actually, most of the money the terrorists get is from dope 
 JH>>  JH>> dealing and gu running, and to some extent kidnapping for 
 JH>>  JH>> ransom.  Oil is not something y can just sell to anyone.  
 JH>>  JH>> You have to have an infrastructure to get it out the ground, 
 JH>>  JH>> pump it, transport it to refineries, etc.  Terrorists simply 
 JH>>  JH>> aren't set up to do that sort of thing.  They get their 
 JH>>  JH>> funds by selling d to independant dealers/cartels a boatload 
 JH>>  JH>> at a time, or trading drugs for guns, etc.  And there are 
 JH>>  JH>> groups that collect money from people under fals pretenses 
 JH>>  JH>> that is then sent to terrorist groups.  There have been a 
 JH>>  JH>> number arab organizations here that have been busted as 
 JH>>  JH>> fronts for al Queda and b Laden.  
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> I've heard that poppy production is way up in Afghanistan now 
 JH>>  DP> that the Taliban are out of power.  Where is the funding for 
 JH>>  DP> those crops going?
 JH>> 
 JH>> There is damn little else they can grow that will give them the 
 JH>> level of profit they get from poppy production.  And they've been 
 JH>> growing that stuf since long before we ever got there.  Until we, 
 JH>> or somebody else, can substitute something of equal value, it will 
 JH>> continue.

 DP> So while dope dealing is one of the major fundings for the 
 DP> terrorists, it is
 DP> also the major funding for the common man in the gulf who has 
 DP> nothing to do
 DP> with terrorism?  Boy, damned if they do, and damned if they don't!

The problem is not with those growing the stuff, whether its opium in
Afghanistan or coca in Columbia.  The problem is the demand HERE.  If we
eliminate the demand, then they will have no place to sell their product, or at
least a very much reduced market for it.  But that's a different discussion.

 JH>>  JH>> I agree that cutting off their funding is a key action to 
 JH>>  JH>> take, but having US stop buying mideast oil isn't going to 
 JH>>  JH>> accomplish that.  
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> There's more to it than that.  We have had a US presense in 
 JH>>  DP> the gulf for decades, if only to protect our interests there.
 JH>>  DP>   When I say interests, I mean oil flow.  Now I'm also quite 
 JH>>  DP> aware that many US companies make hefty profits by dealing 
 JH>>  DP> with the oil market there in way or another; not just by 
 JH>>  DP> selling oil to US but to other buyers.  S it's not just that 
 JH>>  DP> the US is buying foreign oil, but it 'invaded' the
 JH>> gulf 
 JH>>  DP> with oil companies, contractors, and the security forces, 
 JH>>  DP> long before invaded Iraq.
 JH>> 
 JH>> We ensure the oil keeps flowing, yes.  But not just for us, its 
 JH>> for the wh world.  Btw, US oil companies don't own any of those 
 JH>> wells anymore because local governments long ago nationalized those 
 JH>> wells.  The oil companies ma their money by contracting out to 
 JH>> prospect for oil, by contracting to run wells and distribution 
 JH>> centers.

 DP> Of course.  I never said they owned the oilfields.  I only said 
 DP> that the US
 DP> and US companies had interests in those countries.  However, it 
 DP> amounts to
 DP> the same thing.

I've known several people over the years that worked in the Saudi oil fields.
They made tons of money, but it was damned hard work, and they were mostly
restricted to the compounds set up for foreign workers by the Saudi gov't.  It
is dangerous work, and those countries could slam the door on the oil companies
at any time, putting all our citizens working there in extreme danger.  Those
people don't want us there, but they need our expertise to keep their oil
fields functioning, so they tolerate us.  Does that sound like it amounts to
the same thing?  I don't think so.

John 

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