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Text 7595, 76 rader
Skriven 2005-03-21 10:22:54 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
   Kommentar till text 7554 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:2/2.0)
Ärende: FidoNews 22:12 [02/06]: General Articles
================================================
Hello Michiel!

21 Mar 05 06:20, FidoNews Robot wrote to All:

 FR>             A snake in the grass of a free DNS service

You get what you pay for.

 FR> Why? one may wonder. Well it appears - and this is the snag - that
 FR> they require users to adhere to US law. When one signs up for their
 FR> service one has to go through one of these "I agree" acceptance
 FR> things. Who reads them? For those who want to read it, it can be found
 FR> at: http://www.dyndns.org/about/legal/aup.html

Are there no DNS services over in Europe, /anywhere/??

 FR> Another aspect is the policy of DNS. Is it reasonable to require that
 FR> users adhere to US law? For those not residing in US territory, I
 FR> think it is not. Laws differ from country to country and what is legal
 FR> in one country may be illegal in another and vice versa. It is even
 FR> conceivable that complying with US law is a violation of the law of
 FR> one's own country.

Since the first hop in the DNS resolution process is on a US based service?

I suggest you all seek out a European solution to this problem, in Bjorns case,
perhaps a Swedish one, they have to exist or are they all payware services?

However you in your eloquently worded protest, omit the fact that when Bjorn
signed up for this service, he had to agree to the AUP/TOS and that usually
entails some fine print confirmed by a sign up/submit button on their web site,
so isnt Bjorn somewhat at fault for not reading them?

 FR> FidoNet members not residing in the USA should seriously consider if
 FR> after this incident, they wish to continue their relationship with
 FR> DNS. After all, what happened to our FidoNews editor can happen to you
 FR> too. You may annoy a fellow FidoNet member who finds something on your
 FR> website that violates US law - you may not even be aware of it that it
 FR> does - and you are out of grace with DNS. They can cut you off without
 FR> notice and so it seems, without any possibility of an appeal.

Bjorn can also have a web site hosted on his behalf. I have easternstar.info
hosted for $30/yr.

 FR> Do you really want to do business with a company that tries to force
 FR> US law on non US citizens not residing on US territory? Do you want to
 FR> risk being cut off over what is 100% legal in your own country and
 FR> that you are not even aware of that it may violate US law?

I know individual responsibility is not a requirement to be a European, but if
Bjorn had taken the time to read the AUP/TOS, wouldnt he have been forewarned?

 FR>   Consider
 FR> that Dynamic Network Services is not the only game in town. Googling
 FR> for "free dns" or "gratis dns" turns up dozens of free DNS services,
 FR> many of them not US based.

There you go!

 FR>  You may find one in your own country. That
 FR> is always better as they are not likely to ask you to comply with the
 FR> laws of another country. If you can't find one in your own country
 FR> look at Eastern Europe. There are many there that provide excellent
 FR> service. There are also FidoNet sysops that run a private DNS server.
 FR> You may want to enlist their help.

and dont give Bjorn a free pass for not reading the fine print.

==
Ross
ICQ: 5305939
Food For thought:
Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader! http://www.easternstar.info .
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