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Skriven 2005-05-20 21:09:14 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 4246 av Mike '/m' (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Rich" <@>
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I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know it. =
Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that = everyone
except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more than = the obvious
that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. I = can't believe you
have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are voicing no opinion on
the itunes store both after doing so and = before doing so again. You are
spinning so fast you can't see.
As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was. =
Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your = dishonesty,
and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you = have no choice
everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of non-Microsoft
hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
Rich
"Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
> Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let computers
affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
projecting?
> Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if apple =
did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they can use?
I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that Apple's =
focus
is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes is
the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
Probably more of "too late to the party".
Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon
some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves behind
the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try to
catch up.
>> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?
Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting comment. =
I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they have
chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft needed
to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
"of choice". =20
If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in =
the
percentages that they currently do?
/m<probably not...>
On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
> Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
>
> Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if apple =
did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they can use?
>
> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?
>
>Rich
>
> "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
>
> It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the online
> music race, eh Rich?
>
> Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually =
saying
> that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not =
iPod.
> I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
>
> Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
>
> /m
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
>
> > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the =
obvious and how silly you sound.
> >
> > Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are winning =
over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can carry one?
> >
> > Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting their =
software onto phones. There is a difference from the ipod. Unless = apple
restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users multiple = choices, the
phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in = their customers to
the itunes store like apple does.
> >
> >Rich
> >
> > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
> >
> > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
video
> > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =
phones to
> > allow them to access iTunes.
> >
> > Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything =
else.
> > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to look =
like he
> > was out in front all along.
> >
> > /m
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =
<mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Randy wrote:
> > >
> > >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....
> > >>=20
> > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
> > >>=20
> > >
> > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & that the =
phones=20
> > >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has =
an MP3=20
> > >player & an fm radio....
> > >
> > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the radio =
or the mp3=20
> > >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so =
if like=20
> > >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc & then =
"forget"=20
> > >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's =
going on=20
> > >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
> > >
> > ><G>
> > >
> > >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & was =
very=20
> > >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted music + =
radio & a=20
> > >nice neat (small) phone.
> > >
> > >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net =
related things.
> > >
> > >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" =
computer=20
> > >being the smartphone in their pocket.
> > >
> > >Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I find it hard to believe =
you can be=20
such an idiot and not know it. Read over your spin in this thread =
starting=20
with your claims that everyone except the itunes store is a loser. = You
are=20
saying more than the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes = store is
a=20
bet. I can't believe you have the audacity to state in one = sentence
that=20
you are voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and =
before=20
doing so again. You are spinning so fast you can't = see.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> As for your follow on =
bullshit, there=20
is no lock in and never was. Unlike apple, Microsoft provides=20
choice. Go ahead, continue your dishonesty, and pretend you =
have=20
none. Make sure you mention how you have no choice everytime you =
mention=20
your use any of the very large set of non-Microsoft hardware, = software,
and=20
services Microsoft enables for Windows.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Mike '/m'" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>> =20
Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.<BR><BR>I =
live=20
with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let =
computers<BR>affect my=20
living situation. But I have to wonder why you=20
are<BR>projecting?<BR><BR><BR>> Do you really think the =
itunes=20
store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod users so that =
this was=20
the only store they can use?<BR><BR>I voice no opinion on the iTunes=20
store. I merely say that Apple's focus<BR>is on iTunes and not=20
necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes is<BR>the =
end. =20
And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.<BR>Probably more =
of "too=20
late to the party".<BR><BR>Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot =
out Mr.=20
Gates to expound upon<BR>some "new direction", I know that Microsft =
has found=20
themelves behind<BR>the market leader and have belatedly realized that =
they=20
need to try to<BR>catch up.<BR><BR><BR><BR>>> If users are not =
locked=20
in, why would they pick the itunes store?<BR><BR>Coming from a =
Microsoft=20
employee, that is a very interesting comment. <BR><BR>I mean, if =
the=20
users were not locked into Windows, would they have<BR>chosen IE over=20
Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails entered<BR>as =
evidence=20
in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft needed<BR>to =
leverage the=20
Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto browser<BR>"of=20
choice". <BR><BR>If the users were not locked in, would =
they=20
choose WIndows Media in the<BR>percentages that they currently=20
do?<BR><BR> /m<probably not...><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Fri, 20 =
May 2005=20
18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:<BR><BR>> Keep =
spinning=20
if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.<BR>><BR>> Do=20
you really think the itunes store would sell the same if apple did not =
lock in=20
ipod users so that this was the only store they can=20
use?<BR>><BR>> If users are not locked in, why would =
they=20
pick the itunes store?<BR>><BR>>Rich<BR>><BR>> "Mike =
'/m'"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>><BR>> =20
It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the=20
online<BR>> music race, eh Rich?<BR>><BR>> =
Despite what=20
you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually =
saying<BR>> that=20
Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not=20
iPod.<BR>> I say no more or no less. Despite what you =
try to=20
spin.<BR>><BR>> Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a =
change, will=20
ya?<BR>><BR>> =20
/m<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Fri, 20 =
May 2005=20
17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:<BR>><BR>> =
> =20
If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the obvious =
and how=20
silly you sound.<BR>> ><BR>> > Why =
will=20
phones win out, for the same reason phones are winning over many PDA=20
users? Why carry two devices when you can carry =
one?<BR>> =20
><BR>> > Apple will follow Microsoft and I =
believe=20
real in getting their software onto phones. There is a =
difference from=20
the ipod. Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from =
offering their=20
users multiple choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no =
reason to=20
lock in their customers to the itunes store like apple =
does.<BR>> =20
><BR>> >Rich<BR>> ><BR>> =
> "Mike=20
'/m'" <<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>> =20
><BR>> > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, =
but=20
iTunes (and its video<BR>> > follow-up). Apple =
is=20
already putting iPod software on cell phones to<BR>> =
> allow=20
them to access iTunes.<BR>> ><BR>> > =
Gates'=20
comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything =
else.<BR>> =20
> Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to =
look like=20
he<BR>> > was out in front all along.<BR>> =20
><BR>> > /m<BR>> =
><BR>> =20
><BR>> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>><BR>> =20
> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > =
>Randy=20
wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > >> =
I just=20
1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....<BR>> =
> =20
>> <BR>> > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded=20
songs-sweet!<BR>> > >> <BR>> =
> =20
><BR>> > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the =
Ipod=20
won't last & that the phones <BR>> > >will =
eat it's=20
lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3 =
<BR>> =20
> >player & an fm radio....<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you =
are=20
listening to the radio or the mp3 <BR>> > >player =
&=20
someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so if like =
<BR>> =20
> >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc =
&=20
then "forget" <BR>> > >to re-enable the =
ringer....then=20
you are left wondering what's going on <BR>> > =
>coz the=20
music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > ><G><BR>> > =20
><BR>> > >I had a look at the smart phones =
(Pocket pc,=20
symbian etc) & was very <BR>> > >impressed =
but @ the=20
end of the day...I just wanted music + radio & a <BR>> =
> =20
>nice neat (small) phone.<BR>> > =
><BR>> =20
> >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any =
net=20
related things.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>I=20
reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" computer=20
<BR>> > >being the smartphone in their=20
pocket.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =20
>Adam<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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