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Skriven 2005-05-24 11:25:58 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 4392 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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   If nokia is used to dominating they will get over it.

   I can use a bluetooth or connected keyboard with my phone if I wish.  =
I have no interest.  In particular it would just be more bulky stuff to = carry
defeating the primary value to me of the smartphone.  Even with = this the
display is tiny and a whole slew of other laptop features which = I use are
missing.

   I have a smartphone and laptop and you do not.  Let's wait until you =
get both and then you can report back on your personal usage and when = and
where you use one or both.

Rich

  "Adam Flinton" <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com> wrote in message =
news:42936546$1@w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:
  >    You really must be an idiot.  Why is it a problem that carriers=20
  > choose what they offer and end users choose what they buy?  To the=20
  > extent you believe this is a problem, why isn't it a problem for =
everyone?
  > =20

  Not everyone is used to being a monopoly & to controlling the market.


  >    Your belief that folks will switch from laptops to smartphones is =

  > really based on your claim that executives can't easily take notes =
with=20
  > a laptop on the underground.  That's it?=20

  Nope it's about easy access etc. Much more than simply notes on an=20
  underground. That's just one example. The smartphone is always on &=20
  ready to go & in your pocket. The laptop is in it's carry bag powered=20
  off. Which offers greater functionality?


  > Nothing about display size,=20
  > keyboard, mouse?  Your second point that if a smartphone is ever =
useful=20
  > than that is enough.  Silly.
  >

  Mouese & keyboard - bluetooth/usb. I have seen a number of people=20
  tapping away on fold up bluetooth keyboards.


  >   I have both a smartphone and a laptop.  I use them both at =
different=20
  > times.  What about you?
  > =20

  I have a laptop for work. I looked at smartphones & realised that I=20
  actively like being out of touch at times. However I do use the nokia =
to=20
  hook into my imap/smtp server at home. However music player & fm radio =

  answers most of my needs.

  Work want me to get a smartphone & I am resisting.

  Most others have them & I am accused of being a luddite.

  However I realise than in 2 years or so the smartphone will be the pc=20
  for the masses.

  Look at all the various studies which show that most people want/need =
a=20
  spreadsheet, word processor, email, im & web browser & then look at=20
  where smartphones are now & where they will be.

  Adam


  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Adam Flinton" <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com
  >     <mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>> wrote in message
  >     news:4292eb5a@w3.nls.net...
  >     Rich wrote:
  >      >    I have no idea where your nonsense about Microsoft having =
a
  >     problems
  >      > with smartphones came from.
  >=20
  >     ROFL. Ah dear me tetchy tetchy tetchy. Rich you should learn to =
follow
  >     the "first engage brain then mouth" rule.
  >=20
  >     The problem MS have with smnartphones is not technical, it's the =
fact
  >     that they are at the mercy of the network operators & what they =
choose
  >     to offer.
  >=20
  >     If vodafone decide to offer five models of Nokia smartphone & =
one
  >     Pocket
  >     PC then that's vodafone's choice.
  >=20
  >      >  I'll ignore that.
  >=20
  >     Of course you will as you have little clue about market =
realities.
  >=20
  >      > Feel free to start
  >      > another thread but remember to include some support for your =
opinion.
  >      >=20
  >=20
  >     Feel free to hop on one leg singing "I'm a little teapot" but =
remember
  >     to try & use at least one leg.
  >=20
  >=20
  >      >    There is one opinion of yours to which I will reply.
  >=20
  >     I am honoured. Oh how I shall recount this to my grandchildren.
  >=20
  >      >  You wrote "All
  >      > that is missing now is the hook up to an external display + a =
larger
  >      > screen size driver."  I disagree.
  >=20
  >     I'm sure you do as frankly if laptop users turn into smartphone =
users
  >     your company is shafted.
  >=20
  >      > There is quite a bit more laptop
  >      > functionality missing from smartphones.
  >=20
  >     Such as?
  >=20
  >     Bluetooth? Wifi? Web browser? Excel? Word? USB?
  >=20
  >      >  Now if you used your laptop for
  >      > a limited set of tasks only may get away from it but then you =
should
  >      > have switched to a PDA when they became available.
  >      >
  >=20
  >     Most execs use their laptop for a limited set of tasks. I know =
of a
  >     number including tech proj managers, a personnel type & a couple =
of
  >     others (one v. senior) who have done exactly that. The key
  >     difference is
  >     that they always have their "laptop" with them.
  >=20
  >     In the pub, thin of something, reach in paocket & take =
note/contact
  >     someone, on train...etc.etc.etc.
  >=20
  >     Try making notes with a laptop on the underground & then try =
with a
  >     smartphone.
  >=20
  >     It's so lovely to see a MS person arguing in favour of the big =
machines.
  >=20
  >     Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; If nokia is used to =
dominating they=20
will get over it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I can use a bluetooth or =
connected=20
keyboard with my phone if I wish.&nbsp; I have no interest.&nbsp; In =
particular=20
it would just be more bulky stuff to carry defeating the primary value = to me
of=20
the smartphone.&nbsp; Even with this the display is tiny and a whole = slew
of=20
other laptop features which I use are missing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a smartphone and =
laptop and you=20
do not.&nbsp; Let's wait until you get both and then you can report back = on
your=20
personal usage and when and where you use one or both.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Adam Flinton" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42936546$1@w3.nls.net">news:42936546$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Rich=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You really must be an idiot.&nbsp; =
Why is it=20
  a problem that carriers <BR>&gt; choose what they offer and end users =
choose=20
  what they buy?&nbsp; To the <BR>&gt; extent you believe this is a =
problem, why=20
  isn't it a problem for everyone?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>Not everyone is =
used to=20
  being a monopoly &amp; to controlling the=20
  market.<BR><BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Your belief that folks will =
switch=20
  from laptops to smartphones is <BR>&gt; really based on your claim =
that=20
  executives can't easily take notes with <BR>&gt; a laptop on the=20
  underground.&nbsp; That's it? <BR><BR>Nope it's about easy access etc. =
Much=20
  more than simply notes on an <BR>underground. That's just one example. =
The=20
  smartphone is always on &amp; <BR>ready to go &amp; in your pocket. =
The laptop=20
  is in it's carry bag powered <BR>off. Which offers greater=20
  functionality?<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Nothing about display size, <BR>&gt; =
keyboard,=20
  mouse?&nbsp; Your second point that if a smartphone is ever useful =
<BR>&gt;=20
  than that is enough.&nbsp; Silly.<BR>&gt;<BR><BR>Mouese &amp; keyboard =
-=20
  bluetooth/usb. I have seen a number of people <BR>tapping away on fold =
up=20
  bluetooth keyboards.<BR><BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have both a =
smartphone and=20
  a laptop.&nbsp; I use them both at different <BR>&gt; times.&nbsp; =
What about=20
  you?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>I have a laptop for work. I looked at =
smartphones=20
  &amp; realised that I <BR>actively like being out of touch at times. =
However I=20
  do use the nokia to <BR>hook into my imap/smtp server at home. However =
music=20
  player &amp; fm radio <BR>answers most of my needs.<BR><BR>Work want =
me to get=20
  a smartphone &amp; I am resisting.<BR><BR>Most others have them &amp; =
I am=20
  accused of being a luddite.<BR><BR>However I realise than in 2 years =
or so the=20
  smartphone will be the pc <BR>for the masses.<BR><BR>Look at all the =
various=20
  studies which show that most people want/need a <BR>spreadsheet, word=20
  processor, email, im &amp; web browser &amp; then look at <BR>where=20
  smartphones are now &amp; where they will =
be.<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR><BR>&gt;=20
  Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Adam =
Flinton"=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A><BR>&g=
t;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A=
>&gt;&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4292eb5a@w3.nls.net">news:4292eb5a@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
  have no idea where your nonsense about Microsoft having=20
  a<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  problems<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; with smartphones =
came=20
  from.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ROFL. Ah dear me tetchy =
tetchy=20
  tetchy. Rich you should learn to =
follow<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the=20
  "first engage brain then mouth" rule.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  The problem MS have with smnartphones is not technical, it's the=20
  fact<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that they are at the mercy of the =
network=20
  operators &amp; what they choose<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to=20
  offer.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If vodafone decide to =
offer=20
  five models of Nokia smartphone &amp; =
one<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Pocket<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PC then that's vodafone's=20
  choice.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; I'll =
ignore=20
  that.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Of course you will as =
you have=20
  little clue about market realities.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Feel free to=20
  start<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; another thread but =
remember=20
  to include some support for your=20
  opinion.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; <BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Feel free to hop on one leg singing =
"I'm a=20
  little teapot" but remember<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to try =
&amp; use=20
  at least one leg.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There is one opinion of yours to which I will=20
  reply.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am honoured. Oh how =
I shall=20
  recount this to my grandchildren.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; You wrote=20
  "All<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; that is missing now is =
the=20
  hook up to an external display + a=20
  larger<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; screen size =
driver."&nbsp; I=20
  disagree.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure you do as =
frankly=20
  if laptop users turn into smartphone =
users<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  your company is shafted.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;=20
  There is quite a bit more laptop<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;=20
  functionality missing from smartphones.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Such as?<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bluetooth? Wifi? Web browser? Excel? =
Word?=20
  USB?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Now if =
you used=20
  your laptop for<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; a limited =
set of=20
  tasks only may get away from it but then you=20
  should<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; have switched to a =
PDA when=20
  they became available.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Most execs use their laptop for a =
limited set=20
  of tasks. I know of a<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; number including =
tech=20
  proj managers, a personnel type &amp; a couple=20
  of<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; others (one v. senior) who have =
done=20
  exactly that. The key<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; difference=20
  is<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that they always have their =
"laptop" with=20
  them.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In the pub, thin of =
something,=20
  reach in paocket &amp; take =
note/contact<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  someone, on train...etc.etc.etc.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Try=20
  making notes with a laptop on the underground &amp; then try with=20
  a<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; smartphone.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's so lovely to see a MS person =
arguing in=20
  favour of the big machines.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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